M&P .45 or 9mm ?

[MP1SG]

This sums it up nicely!
With the premium JHP ammo available these days (I use Golddots and Ranger +P), the .45 doesn't hold the advantage over the 9mm that it does when talking ball ammo.
I am a .45 guy at heart but carry 9mm pistols these days do to above stated reasons (I will add faster follow up shots as well).
I do not believe in 1 shot stopping power in handguns.....shoot them till they are down! Higher capacity is a good thing!

I am pretty sure i can shot my 45 acp as fast and accurate than most can with a 9mm. Bigger Bullets bigger holes= faster blood loss. Shoot them til they are down is good IF you dont have to account for your stray rounds. (which we do) I am not bashing the 9mm, but to say that having more ammo is gonna win the fight is a little crazy to me. The 45acp def holds an advantage over the 9mm, Ball ammo spefically in 45 is probably better than the best 9mm Hollow point. Also take a look at the poll at the top of this thread. When this thread started the 9mm was the favored round, Not so much any more.

 

[rpxr400]

Also take a look at the poll at the top of this thread. When this thread started the 9mm was the favored round, Not so much any more.

Yes, As the OP. I have been closely watching the poll. I initially was surprised, as the first responses hinted that the 9 would run away with it, and now, the tables have turned.The .45 isn't exactly running away, but has a comfortable lead.

 

[45caldan]

The 45acp def holds an advantage over the 9mm, Ball ammo spefically in 45 is probably better than the best 9mm Hollow point. Also take a look at the poll at the top of this thread. When this thread started the 9mm was the favored round, Not so much any more.

NONSENSE! Ball ammo sucks period.....sucks more in 9mm than .45 but still sucks.
This poll will not prove anything....

 

[MP1SG]

NONSENSE! Ball ammo sucks period.....sucks more in 9mm than .45 but still sucks.
This poll will not prove anything....

Hi
The poll so far shows that more shooters choose the 45acp rather than the 9mm. Your are correct Ball ammo does suck you are also correct in saying 9mm ball sucks more than 45 ball. But i would still rather use 45acp ball than 9mm ball.

 

[rpxr400]

This poll will not prove anything....

That's good - because I did not create this poll to prove one caliber is better than the other. I was curious what the majority would carry, given a choice between the higher capacity of the 9 and the larger wound cavity/stopping power of the .45.

 

[Helderberg]

I have a FS 45 and 9. The one benefit of 9mm to me is that I can shoot almost twice as much 9 ammo as I can the 45 for the same money. I know, if I reload - - - after I buy all the tools etc. If you can put more ammo through the gun you can get better with it and the "What gun makes the biggest holes" argument goes away because now you can hit what you aim at. I bought the 9 because it is almost an exact copy of the 45 and I could practice with it. "IT" has turned into my favorite gun and caliber so I have bought a LC9 for carry. 9 is a good caliber, 45 better but you still need to hit what you aim at. Just my .02.
Be safe, Frank.

 

[Brass Nuggets]

As a dual state resident… when in the carry state… 9mm 147 grain JHP over takes my SC-E .45ACP for a couple of reasons…

1. I hope to never draw and fire…
2. If I do draw and fire, control and follow up become critical…
3. To CCW, is to ensure it is as comfortable as possible.
4. Small pistols, big rounds are tough to practice with…

However, Open Carry, now that's a different plan… full size XDM .45 or 1911 all the way.

Just one man's opinion…

 

[Texaspoff]

Either one will be fine. I carry an M&P9FS on and off duty. I also carry a 1911 , a Glock G19 and and LCP as a secondary. My #1 rule is shot placement. I am surgical with any one of those listed. I am not worried about bullet expansion or any of that mess. I have no control over bullet characteristics, or a number of other varibles in an armed situation. What I do have control over is how well I train, and my shot placement. Yes I prefer the 45 ACP growing up a 1911 person. I also have no issues with a 9mm either. The M&Pc gets the nod for concealment and comfort of carry. It is simply a smaller platform caliber aside. That will pay off after packing it for hours during the day. A big mistake I see folks make in a concealed carry weapon is they want the biggest caliber they can get. That usually goes hand in hand with a larger platform. That is not the priority of a concealed carry weapon. Adequate stopping power, controlability, and comfort are what should be considered. Now in an open holstered duty application the caliber debate has more merrit, but not in concealment. Comfort is key, and weight and size is part of the comfort equasion. It won't matter what caliber it is if you left it at home on the night stand. TXPO

 

[Dragon6]

Given only the two options, I choose the 45c. My personal choice after decades as a 1911 guy was the 40c. Near the power of a 45 with near the capacity of a 9mm. It seemed to me to be a better combination for concealment with effect and comfort. Where concealment is not such an issue I still prefer a full size 1911.

 

[Silversmok3]

Id go with the 9mm.

Stopping power is an artifact of weapon knowledge, not caliber size.Meaning the more you shoot it, the more accurate you will be and thus your ability to stop an attack will improve.

So,for X amount of dollars you can practice more on a 9mm versus a .45 ACP.

 

[MP1SG]

Id go with the 9mm.

Stopping power is an artifact of weapon knowledge, not caliber size.Meaning the more you shoot it, the more accurate you will be and thus your ability to stop an attack will improve.

So,for X amount of dollars you can practice more on a 9mm versus a .45 ACP.

Hmmm not sure i agree with this. 9mm compared to 45acp cost wise is mininmal. yes 45 cost more but not to much, a quick look ar SGammo has 500 rnds of 9mm 115grain ball for 120 bucks 500 rnds of 45acp ball 169 bucks. and that was just one site. and the possiblites are endless if you reload. so i i would go with the 45acp

 

[Dean1818]

Id go with the 9mm.

Stopping power is an artifact of weapon knowledge, not caliber size.Meaning the more you shoot it, the more accurate you will be and thus your ability to stop an attack will improve.

So,for X amount of dollars you can practice more on a 9mm versus a .45 ACP.

I also dont agree.

using your general logic a 22 is as good as a 50 cal

Lets say that two exact twins were shot in the exact same spot in the middle of their chest.

One with a 45 JHP, one with a 9mm JHP

In this case you would HAVE to conclude that the 45 would do more damage.

Or put another way....if all things are equal (shot placement)

The 45 would always out perform the 9mm


The 9mm is a good round for SD.....

But for me, the 45 is better.

 

[Silversmok3]

I also dont agree.

using your general logic a 22 is as good as a 50 cal

Lets say that two exact twins were shot in the exact same spot in the middle of their chest.

One with a 45 JHP, one with a 9mm JHP

In this case you would HAVE to conclude that the 45 would do more damage.

Or put another way....if all things are equal (shot placement)

The 45 would always out perform the 9mm


The 9mm is a good round for SD.....

But for me, the 45 is better.

More people are killed with a .22LR than a .50 BMG .

I do understand your viewpoint and would agree-if ammo costs were equal. Since it is not, shooting 1000 rounds of 9mm will make you a better shooter than firing 700 rounds of .45 ACP for the same cost. Neither round is effective when the target is missed.

 

[Bmanz]

I'd place a big asterisk next to the axiom that indicates simply shooting more rounds in practice makes one necessarily better with that particular round. I shoot maybe 1000 rounds of .45 in a year for practice and a lot more (triple) of .40 and 9mm, but I shoot the .45 better with my M&P and my 1911s than any other caliber in any other handgun I shoot especially point-shooting which is what I'd suspect would be a self-defense situation.

The .45 is an easy round to shoot when using in the proper gun platform, IMHO. And, all else being equal, as stated earlier the .45 does more damage with each hit than what a smaller caliber can do. The ultimate answer is carry what you are the most comfortable carrying and shoot with the type of round most accurate for you in that gun. Also make sure the caliber chosen has a documented history as a successful self-defense round. The .38, 9mm, .40 or .45 can get the job done. This means don't depend on a 22LR to stop a 300lb drug-induced lunatic from stomping your brains out.

 

[Lost Lake]

More people are killed with a .22LR than a .50 BMG .

I do understand your viewpoint and would agree-if ammo costs were equal. Since it is not, shooting 1000 rounds of 9mm will make you a better shooter than firing 700 rounds of .45 ACP for the same cost. Neither round is effective when the target is missed.

I'll say practice with the .45 just as much, pay the extra $30 for ammo and have twice the gun on your hip.

That said.... I should get my new 9mm in a day or two.

What can I say? I like guns and don't have a 9mm yet! Maybe my kids will like it, maybe I'll like it. I have a .380 for pocket carry now... The 9mm isn't much bigger.

In the end, I want ALL the guns.

 

[Dean1818]

More people are killed with a .22LR than a .50 BMG .

I do understand your viewpoint and would agree-if ammo costs were equal. Since it is not, shooting 1000 rounds of 9mm will make you a better shooter than firing 700 rounds of .45 ACP for the same cost. Neither round is effective when the target is missed.

Silver.... you have circle logic..... AND..... you continue to dig yourself deeper

How much I pay for a round doesnt matter a bit.

I practice enough ..... I become proficient

With some people.... thats 200 rounds.... some people its 400rounds.... WHO CARES WHAT I SPEND?

I hit the target... I do well..... I have had a 9mm, and I have a 45...... I kept the 45

I am about EQUIL with both.........

The BIGGER 45 hole to the center target WILL be better than the 9.....


If you want a 22 for persoanl protection... have at it.
For me..... its ability to protect is limited

 

[Bombsaway]

I am fortunate enough to own both, but if I had to choose one, it would be the 9c. Cheaper ammo, and a tad bit more concealable. I can even pocket carry it in the right pair of cargo shorts or carry it on my ankle as a backup.

 

[Dean1818]

I am fortunate enough to own both, but if I had to choose one, it would be the 9c. Cheaper ammo, and a tad bit more concealable. I can even pocket carry it in the right pair of cargo shorts or carry it on my ankle as a backup.

I am looking at a Kahr CM9 for pocket carry for those days where its really HOT (I live in Dallas) or when I jog.

When I handled it, the 9c seemed to be a bit too big for pocket carry.