bionic218
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"The trigger is pretty bad. They're kinda heavy. The controls are too small to be effective. They aren't bad, but they're not as good as a Glock."
I'd heard every bed-time story, nightmare scenario, and other boogey-man misadventure one could hear about the M&P polymer guns. And after today, I'm convinced those guys haven't owned, shot, or spent any significant time with a current production M&P.
Even after hearing all this, I came here and read the "Fired six rounds" thread and thought; now here's a bunch of guys with nothing but good to say about their guns. So why all the hate?
I'd always wanted a .45 that I could carry. So I bought a Dan Wesson C-Bob; which is a precision instrument of such beauty and perfection that it scoffs at the mere idea of being in a nasty old leather or kydex holster. It was too pretty to carry, the fact that it weighed as much as my Kenmore gas grill had nothing to do with it...honest. And they hold value well, so I sold it. Next I tried a Springfield GI in stainless; which would be perfect if it had better grips, a less gritty trigger, and something other than the laughable attempt at sights...no go. So I sold it. But then I found a used Sig P250C in .45 for a mere $300. How could I go wrong? That pistol almost made me swear off Sigs entirely. I own a no choke Mossberg short barrel shotgun that keeps a tighter group at 25yds than a P250 at 7. On the bright side (for HK) the designers of the P250 finally made a trigger as bad as the old HK VP-70.
So I traded it to a guy I didn't like.
Last week I see a M&P in the used case at my local shop. It had a pretty good price on it, and it was a .45...interesting.
So today I went back in and checked it out. Turns out it wasn't used, but a new unit. I asked if the price would still be honored, and the guy says if you're paying cash - I'm selling guns. So I bought it.
Now here's the part where I say up-front I am a Glock guy. I've had a ton of them, and I CC the G23 gen4. My wife shoots the G19 gen3, and I was considering either a G30SF or the new G30s...if I could ever find one.
I tried this M&P out against a G23 for size, and they are almost identical. So close, in fact, that it actually fits in my OHC G23 carry rig. The weight is almost identical, but the M&P distributes its weight better, giving a more balanced feel...especially noticeable with an empty magazine.
So I took it apart to make sure it was all there and properly lubed enough for an initial test round; and it was. So I went shooting. Everything from silver-tip 185grain jhps to PMC bronze fmj 230 grain to old nasty bottom of the ammo tray WWB...and it ate it all. It ejected it all, and none at my face - which was a nice little change of pace for me compared to my Austrian guns.
The trigger: Okay, so it doesn't have the positive 'click' reset of a Glock, but it's every bit as short and maybe even faster than the Glock trigger. The pull side wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad at all, perfectly acceptable, and much better than what I had been told.
The controls: I don't know what kind of ham-fisted monkey man has been toying with these, but under normal operating conditions, I didn't have one bit of trouble. Everything was easy to get to and worked smoothly. The only possible exception was the lack of an audible 'snap' when the magazine locks in. It did on both mags, and firmly, but it didn't make any amount of noise when doing so. The sights are nothing to write home about, simple 3 dot contrasts, but they do an effective job.
The ergonomics: This is where the M&P makes its mark. I have shot a bunch - and I mean a lot - of .45s, but none handle recoil and second shot capability like this. If I hadn't loaded them myself; if somebody had just handed me this pistol and said: "go" I would swear it was a .357 Sig. Very low recoil pulse, and almost all of it straight back. What a joy to shoot. Natural pointing and neutral handling is a hard combination to beat.
I'm not ready to say it's my new carry gun, but if the next few hundred are as impressive as the first hundred, I will be. Thanks S&W forum for showing me another side to this thing, and giving me the confidence to try something new. I am a happy camper. All I can assume from my experience today is that all the naysayers are a bunch of lying liars!
Picture of my new 45C:
I'd heard every bed-time story, nightmare scenario, and other boogey-man misadventure one could hear about the M&P polymer guns. And after today, I'm convinced those guys haven't owned, shot, or spent any significant time with a current production M&P.
Even after hearing all this, I came here and read the "Fired six rounds" thread and thought; now here's a bunch of guys with nothing but good to say about their guns. So why all the hate?
I'd always wanted a .45 that I could carry. So I bought a Dan Wesson C-Bob; which is a precision instrument of such beauty and perfection that it scoffs at the mere idea of being in a nasty old leather or kydex holster. It was too pretty to carry, the fact that it weighed as much as my Kenmore gas grill had nothing to do with it...honest. And they hold value well, so I sold it. Next I tried a Springfield GI in stainless; which would be perfect if it had better grips, a less gritty trigger, and something other than the laughable attempt at sights...no go. So I sold it. But then I found a used Sig P250C in .45 for a mere $300. How could I go wrong? That pistol almost made me swear off Sigs entirely. I own a no choke Mossberg short barrel shotgun that keeps a tighter group at 25yds than a P250 at 7. On the bright side (for HK) the designers of the P250 finally made a trigger as bad as the old HK VP-70.
So I traded it to a guy I didn't like.Last week I see a M&P in the used case at my local shop. It had a pretty good price on it, and it was a .45...interesting.
So today I went back in and checked it out. Turns out it wasn't used, but a new unit. I asked if the price would still be honored, and the guy says if you're paying cash - I'm selling guns. So I bought it.
Now here's the part where I say up-front I am a Glock guy. I've had a ton of them, and I CC the G23 gen4. My wife shoots the G19 gen3, and I was considering either a G30SF or the new G30s...if I could ever find one.
I tried this M&P out against a G23 for size, and they are almost identical. So close, in fact, that it actually fits in my OHC G23 carry rig. The weight is almost identical, but the M&P distributes its weight better, giving a more balanced feel...especially noticeable with an empty magazine.
So I took it apart to make sure it was all there and properly lubed enough for an initial test round; and it was. So I went shooting. Everything from silver-tip 185grain jhps to PMC bronze fmj 230 grain to old nasty bottom of the ammo tray WWB...and it ate it all. It ejected it all, and none at my face - which was a nice little change of pace for me compared to my Austrian guns.
The trigger: Okay, so it doesn't have the positive 'click' reset of a Glock, but it's every bit as short and maybe even faster than the Glock trigger. The pull side wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad at all, perfectly acceptable, and much better than what I had been told.
The controls: I don't know what kind of ham-fisted monkey man has been toying with these, but under normal operating conditions, I didn't have one bit of trouble. Everything was easy to get to and worked smoothly. The only possible exception was the lack of an audible 'snap' when the magazine locks in. It did on both mags, and firmly, but it didn't make any amount of noise when doing so. The sights are nothing to write home about, simple 3 dot contrasts, but they do an effective job.
The ergonomics: This is where the M&P makes its mark. I have shot a bunch - and I mean a lot - of .45s, but none handle recoil and second shot capability like this. If I hadn't loaded them myself; if somebody had just handed me this pistol and said: "go" I would swear it was a .357 Sig. Very low recoil pulse, and almost all of it straight back. What a joy to shoot. Natural pointing and neutral handling is a hard combination to beat.
I'm not ready to say it's my new carry gun, but if the next few hundred are as impressive as the first hundred, I will be. Thanks S&W forum for showing me another side to this thing, and giving me the confidence to try something new. I am a happy camper. All I can assume from my experience today is that all the naysayers are a bunch of lying liars!
Picture of my new 45C:
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