westtexas gunner
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So as of 2016 is the Fs M&P 9 still having trigger and barrel/accuracy issues that is everyone knows the pistol for or did they fix these issues on this pistol?
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moose1953us
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there have been ongoing improvements to the trigger etc. my FS 9 and my 9 compact both have good triggers and very good accuracy for service guns. if you expect custom 1911 performance in these you will probably be disappointed, compared to Glock you will probably be pleased. mine were excellent right out of the box...
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Sounds good I was just wondering if the kinks were worked out of this pistol that "supposedly" plagued it?
moose1953us
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i know the early triggers had a lot of complaints. most of the accuracy complaints i've seen seem to be inexperienced shooter issues to me. the main issue i see currently is a lack of quality control at the factory. The occasional gun with a problem gets sold and the buyer ends up sending it back once or twice to get it made right. fortunately there are few of those but it still shouldn't happen.
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Depends what kind of performance you're looking for. They have tweaked the reset, but the trigger is the trigger. It's not all that good, but it's perfectly acceptable as a general duty gun and easily fixed by a gunsmith or using Apex parts.
As for accuracy, you are rolling the dice -- period. Apologists will always blame the shooter, and often it is the fault of the shooter... but definitely not always. I will say that some of them exhibit abysmal accuracy, and that includes current production guns. Read the thread about the Apex aftermarket barrel and you can see my before and after pics of my Performance Center gun that I just bought new recently. This is the same gun that FedEx is dropping off to me tomorrow, returned from S&W with a note saying that the gun is fine despite the fact that I'm shooting 12"+ groups bench rested at 25 yards. I also have a VTAC9 that shoots mediocre but okay. I have a buddy with an older FS9 that shoots very well and another friend with a two year old 5" 9 Pro that shoots marginal at best. I previously owned an older 9c that was very accurate. There are other forums that are populated by extremely well-seasoned competition shooters that complain about new production guns (manufactured within the past couple of years at most) shooting patterns instead of groups. Perhaps we have been the victim of some seriously bad luck, but there are way too many accounts of poor accuracy for it be chalked up to merely the occasional lemons leaving the factory.
Here is my advice, if you can shoot it before you buy it, do so... obviously this is almost always not an option. If you can't, then budget an extra $200 for an Apex barrel... if you don't need it, then bonus for you. If, however, you're not the type of shooter who will notice the difference between a gun that groups 0.5" vs one that groups 5" when shot at 10 yards (and this is not meant to be an insult so please don't take it as such), then buy one and enjoy it. The ergos are great, and the recoil impulse is soft. The trigger can be made quite good, and there are plenty of aftermarket do-dads and holsters available for it.
As for accuracy, you are rolling the dice -- period. Apologists will always blame the shooter, and often it is the fault of the shooter... but definitely not always. I will say that some of them exhibit abysmal accuracy, and that includes current production guns. Read the thread about the Apex aftermarket barrel and you can see my before and after pics of my Performance Center gun that I just bought new recently. This is the same gun that FedEx is dropping off to me tomorrow, returned from S&W with a note saying that the gun is fine despite the fact that I'm shooting 12"+ groups bench rested at 25 yards. I also have a VTAC9 that shoots mediocre but okay. I have a buddy with an older FS9 that shoots very well and another friend with a two year old 5" 9 Pro that shoots marginal at best. I previously owned an older 9c that was very accurate. There are other forums that are populated by extremely well-seasoned competition shooters that complain about new production guns (manufactured within the past couple of years at most) shooting patterns instead of groups. Perhaps we have been the victim of some seriously bad luck, but there are way too many accounts of poor accuracy for it be chalked up to merely the occasional lemons leaving the factory.
Here is my advice, if you can shoot it before you buy it, do so... obviously this is almost always not an option. If you can't, then budget an extra $200 for an Apex barrel... if you don't need it, then bonus for you. If, however, you're not the type of shooter who will notice the difference between a gun that groups 0.5" vs one that groups 5" when shot at 10 yards (and this is not meant to be an insult so please don't take it as such), then buy one and enjoy it. The ergos are great, and the recoil impulse is soft. The trigger can be made quite good, and there are plenty of aftermarket do-dads and holsters available for it.
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MichiganScott
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My family owns four stock M&P's, all purchased prior to 2008. Nothing wrong with the accuracy or triggers in any of them. They are combat guns, not target pieces, and all fill their intended role well.
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Ranger17
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my FS is a 2015, i have limited experience so wont say how the trigger is compared to other brands/models but i am fine with it. As for accuracy, again not sure what is expected of this gun but i am more than happy with the results at 10 yards.
Guess i cant say what it's like say at 20-25 yds (i intend to play around soon on that) but at least for self defense ranges mine sure seems fine.
Just my .02
Guess i cant say what it's like say at 20-25 yds (i intend to play around soon on that) but at least for self defense ranges mine sure seems fine.
Just my .02
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Numerous people have quoted online that S&W CS has told them 3" at 25 yards is what it should be shooting. I haven't asked them personally, though, so it's hearsay.
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thx for info.
With my grandpa eyesight and still newbie status, if i can hit 3" at 25 yds whether its my FS 9 or my Buckmark .22 i'll be happy lol.
Seriously, at those distances as the vision is not awesome, i work more to have consistency in my results. I will post some pix once i get out to the family property and try more than the 10yds i'm limited to at my local indoor range.
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Unless you're shooting from a rested position (sandbags, etc.), it's likely that 99% of the gun owners out there cannot consistently hold 3" groups at 25 yards offhand with a pistol. However, it's a measure of the ultimate accuracy of the pistol and not the shooter when using a rest.
With a rest, my Performance Center M&P9 shoots 12"+ at 25 yards. My VTAC9 shoots around 5" at 25 yards. My buddies 9L Pro hasn't been benchrest tested at that distance, but I would estimate around 7" at the same distance. These are just examples of guns that aren't really up to snuff, IMO. I installed an Apex semi-drop in barrel into my PC gun, and with that barrel it shoots 1.5" groups. Same gun, same ammo, same distance, same day, same targets... just different barrel. As an FYI, I've tried the factory VTAC barrel in the PC gun to see if it would shrink the 12" groups and it did not. I've tried all bullet weights, different brands, and different power levels (+P and non +P). As a point of comparison, all the Glocks, S&W revolvers, H&Ks, SIGs, etc. that I have tested will shoot about 3" groups or less.
This is the reason why I said that if someone is they type of shooter that will never think twice about shooting 5" groups at 10 yards max offhand, then there won't ever appear to be an issue.
However, to the OP... this whole debate has been hashed out in depth in other threads here and elsewhere. Some people say they have an accurate gun and that the complainers are wrong. Others say they have a really inaccurate gun and attempt to prove it. The thread about the Apex barrels is a good place to start. Search it out, read up, and make your own decision about it. There probably really isn't a need for us to go through it all again.
With a rest, my Performance Center M&P9 shoots 12"+ at 25 yards. My VTAC9 shoots around 5" at 25 yards. My buddies 9L Pro hasn't been benchrest tested at that distance, but I would estimate around 7" at the same distance. These are just examples of guns that aren't really up to snuff, IMO. I installed an Apex semi-drop in barrel into my PC gun, and with that barrel it shoots 1.5" groups. Same gun, same ammo, same distance, same day, same targets... just different barrel. As an FYI, I've tried the factory VTAC barrel in the PC gun to see if it would shrink the 12" groups and it did not. I've tried all bullet weights, different brands, and different power levels (+P and non +P). As a point of comparison, all the Glocks, S&W revolvers, H&Ks, SIGs, etc. that I have tested will shoot about 3" groups or less.
This is the reason why I said that if someone is they type of shooter that will never think twice about shooting 5" groups at 10 yards max offhand, then there won't ever appear to be an issue.
However, to the OP... this whole debate has been hashed out in depth in other threads here and elsewhere. Some people say they have an accurate gun and that the complainers are wrong. Others say they have a really inaccurate gun and attempt to prove it. The thread about the Apex barrels is a good place to start. Search it out, read up, and make your own decision about it. There probably really isn't a need for us to go through it all again.
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I guess we walk in different circles. The very early M&P 9mm, back in 2004, had an issue with the barrel that was updated early on. As someone said, the trigger is what it is. The reset has been updated, but not much else. It's a decent enough trigger for a cheap gun.
I would say that 100% of shooters can't hold a 3" group at 25 yards while standing offhand. At least that's what I see regularly at the range. I would love to meet someone who could do it regardless of the gun.
Shoot, 99% of the shooters in the US can't hold a 3" group at 3 yards.
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My MP9 Pro is back at S&W for sight misalignment 2 " off at 10 yards. Accuracy was great with hole touching hole. SO Im guessing the only problem with mine is the sights are off and need to be set. The accuracy seemed right on with groups. It was manufactured in March 2016 as per S&W. Trigger isn't the best I've felt. Hope that improves with use.only fired about 70 rounds. Hopefully they will get the front sight centered as it should have been and set it up correctly as it should have been. Hoping for good things! Let's give them a fair chance.
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Rastoff
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Let me guess, 2" off to the left and you're a right hand shooter not shooting from a rest?
MichiganScott
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Probably two inches low-left. You can't adjust out 2" at ten yards and not have the sight hanging off the pistol.
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He's saying the front sight isn't centered. If it's visually not centered, it's completely plausible that he's not pushing it left.
2" at 10 yards with a 6.5" sight radius is barely over 1/32". 2 * 6.5 / (3 * 12 * 10) This is not much sight movement at all.
2" at 10 yards with a 6.5" sight radius is barely over 1/32". 2 * 6.5 / (3 * 12 * 10) This is not much sight movement at all.
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I have 3 full size MP 9's. One is a pro. Two of them have centered front and rear sights (Warren and Sevigny, respectively) and one has Trijicon HD's.
The MP (new vintage Pro Series) has the HD front sight not totally centered in the dovetail. In fact, when it is perfectly centered, it doesn't print centered groups. With the front slightly off center, it prints centered groups.
That's my only beef with the MP's. I don't have the accuracy issues with them, and I trust my life to one. Funny note...when I borrowed the MP sight pusher at the range the day I noticed that the sight didn't shoot centered, I told two other staff members there about it, that also carried MP 9 FS'. They had HD's on their carry guns, we looked at them, and they were off center too! Something odd going on there.
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The MP (new vintage Pro Series) has the HD front sight not totally centered in the dovetail. In fact, when it is perfectly centered, it doesn't print centered groups. With the front slightly off center, it prints centered groups.
That's my only beef with the MP's. I don't have the accuracy issues with them, and I trust my life to one. Funny note...when I borrowed the MP sight pusher at the range the day I noticed that the sight didn't shoot centered, I told two other staff members there about it, that also carried MP 9 FS'. They had HD's on their carry guns, we looked at them, and they were off center too! Something odd going on there.
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Exactly, Had an instructor shoot with me and he had same issue. Own 4 other handguns not one is off. Not jerking trigger. The front sight is not centered.
Not the issue with mine. when the instructor used the sight pusher the rear sight had to be pushed extreme right with the rear sight starting to stick out the side to hit on center. If that is the way they are i don't want it. Period. Dawson precision (Sent Pictures) and the gunsmith both told me send it back something wrong.
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