M&P 9mm accuracy issues?

[mrlizzzard]

You guys are great.Little shakey on the dry fire.

mrlizzzard

 

[WR Moore]

thanks for replies.I try to keep trigger between back of nail and first joint.What 9mm would be good for competition or a .22 even.I do like my M&P.22 and it is accurate.

mrlizzzard

Depending upon how long you're fingers are, this is too much finger through the trigger guard. You need to have the finger pad under the nail on the trigger. Exactly how much depends upon where your finger has to be to allow the trigger finger to come straight back.

 

[mrlizzzard]

Put a Tasco red dot on this weekend.I canuse it or iron sights.Put 40 rounds thru it during sight in and 100 after.Pistol is grouping now with just occasional flyer.Change finger position and seems to shoot much better.Using set trigger.I am learning lots here thanks everyone.

mrlizzzard

 

[rlh]

I just recently purchased a Canik55 C100 imported by Tristar, as well. I am much more accurate with it than both my M&P 9 and 40 full size. Great firearm. My new favorite.

 

[mrlizzzard]

I AGREE,with rlh .For $299 you get accuracy,metal frame,2mags.Gun show coming and the m& p may be on the table.

mrlizzzard

 

[Rodinal220]

M&P Viable or not? Mods required? - M4Carbine.net Forums

 

[M29since14]

Thanks for that link. There never seems to be much in the way of meat and potatoes to these discussions of M&P9 accuracy and that one was no different, but Mr. Vickers' comment that S&W seems to have "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory" does seem to ring true with the guns I have been shooting.

Since my 1/20 post I have been shooting the new M&P9 full-size gun more and have come to the conclusion it is just as bad as my older M&P9L. The gun is a 5-inch (average) gun at 25-yards, with any given quality factory FMJ ammunition. I have not been able to duplicate the single 3.25" group fired initially. Subsequent shooting has yielded anything from 3.5" to 7" groups (5 rounds, shooting from a rest on an indoor range). This not to say some ammunition yields 3.5" groups and others yield 7" groups. The gun can fire anything in that range with the same ammunition. It is just pitifully erratic.

Thinking back on S&W's history of producing service-grade autoloaders, I do have to agree with Vickers that what the M&P is doing now is not dissimilar with what the Model 39 was doing in the '70s and the 59 was doing in the '80s. There does not seem to be a lot of interest at S&W in making these guns shoot, though they have succeeded in making them ergonomically attractive and highly reliable. The dead-giveaway of this disinterest in accuracy has to be the reprehensible triggers. S&W should hide in shame to release guns with such uniformly awful triggers, and as to accuracy, the term "good enough" seems to have been bent into extraordinary shape in order to justify continued production of this model as-is.

I have yet to see an M&P in either 9 or .40SW that was an acceptable shooter. I do disagree with Vickers that the Shield is some sort of improvement. It is "slick," as he says, since it is fairly judged more by pocket gun standards than those of a belt gun, but it has the same atrocious trigger and the same lack of accuracy, in the ones I have been around.

 

[MtnBubba]

Mine is going back to S&W today for the 4th time.

Trip 3 yielded a new slide. No noticeable change. No statement or indication of a successful test fire at 25 yards at S&W. I had another person at my range shoot it from a sand bag with some otherwise good performing target loads in 115 gr and 147 gr. 3-4" group at 15 yards, 8" and 12" 10-shot groups at 25 yards.

Keeping FedEx busy...

 

[Caravanken]

I am renewing my shooting and reloading hobby that I put aside in the 70's to raise a family. I shot S&W .357 revolvers then but now the 9mm has got my interest. I have applied for CCH and I have an LC9 to start out with for my carry weapon. I would like to buy a M&P 9 to use to improve my shooting skills and not necessarily get 2" groupings at 25yd.

Is there any reason I should not buy the FS M&P 9mm for the purpose I have described. It seems to me the issue is the weapon will not provide something less than 3" grouping at 25yd. For my purpose I really don't see an issue.
Thanks for your input.
Ken

 

[M29since14]

...I shot S&W .357 revolvers then...

...It seems to me the issue is the weapon will not provide something less than 3" grouping at 25yd. For my purpose I really don't see an issue.

Two thoughts. First, if you are familiar with the accuracy an S&W .357 revolver typically delivers I think you will find the M&P depressing - unless you happen to get one that shoots OK. I have never seen one in the small calibers that does.

Second, with your background in shooting a quality revolver, I am a little surprised you think guns that routinely make 5-8 inch "groups" at 25 yards (or worse) would not be an issue. Sure you can familiarize yourself with the weapon, do your gun-handling drills, etc., but in terms of learning anything about your marksmanship, just forget it. You will be starting with 1.5-hands tied behind your back.

At the present time, if a high-capacity 9mm pistol of "modern design" interests you, I suggest you spend a bit more money and buy a SIG 226.

 

[125JHP]

OR.... spend a little LESS money and buy an XD-9

 

[kevin.andress]

MP 9 accuracy problems

I have a full size MP 9. Serial number prefix is DXC manufactured Jan 2012. I have 3500 rounds through mine and the accuracy sucks. From a rest at 25 yards 10 rounds at an 8" target only 5 were on paper. The gun seems to be accurate from 15 in, but any farther then that and it gets bad quick. Although I have noted a considerable improvement with 147gr ammo. I love my MP and have invested a fair bit of money into the trigger and sights, but at last it's up for sale. Wish I didn't have to, and I'm sure there is a fix but frankly this issue and the dead trigger issue I experienced 8 times has completely destroyed my confidence in the gun.

 

[HereSinceTheLongHunters]

Installed Meprolight Tritium, bore sighted, and punched the X ring at 7 & 15.. cheap ammo was dropping at 25yds, but had no trouble staying on center line of target.
The gun is accurate. My grip isn't always.

Factory front sight was off to the right and shot left.

 

[MtnBubba]

My FS has been back 5 times. Trip 5 resulted is some noticeable improvement, but it's still a relatively large group at 25 yards.

Then I cracked the code on this thing and it now shoots sub 1/2" groups at all distances. (They are 1-shot groups) For now I have given up on it. I may end up selling it. It doesn't have much use, a new barrel, Apex DCAEK, Trijicon HD sights...

I picked up an HK45c. I thought it might have slightly bigger groups compared to my USP. It shoots 2" 10-shot groups at 25 yards, without much effort. Any ammo I've fed it. I love it.

 

[bobermo]

My FS has been back 5 times. Trip 5 resulted is some noticeable improvement, but it's still a relatively large group at 25 yards.

Then I cracked the code on this thing and it now shoots sub 1/2" groups at all distances. (They are 1-shot groups) For now I have given up on it. I may end up selling it. It doesn't have much use, a new barrel, Apex DCAEK, Trijicon HD sights...

I picked up an HK45c. I thought it might have slightly bigger groups compared to my USP. It shoots 2" 10-shot groups at 25 yards, without much effort. Any ammo I've fed it. I love it.

Sounds extremely frustrating. Just curious if you've had others shoot it with the same poor results.

 

[Biscut]

I bought my firs M&P (pro) 9mm a few months back. Stickers on the box indicate manufacture (or possibly shipdate) April 2013. I put the APEX trigger kit in her and while I haven't shot it from a rest 15yards 50 rounds is under 4" offhand. That is with Wolf 115gr which is horrible ammo but cheap!!

I also shoot a lot of Fed 147gr and she does even tighter. This 9mm is more accurate than me. I will, hopefully next week get it on a rest at 20yards and see what we get with the 147 Fed.

I don't know if the accuracy issue was a bad batch of barrels in the past or lockup, or whatever may be....but mine is everything I could ask in the accuracy department.

I just hit the 1k mark Friday.

 

[PERAZZI]

My solution to the problem was to trade it on a Springfield Armory 1911 9mm loaded. Now I can shoot the service gun match without embarassment.

 

[fallhunter]

I've had 7 XDs and they all shot fine, I've had 6 Glocks and they all shot fine, I've had 15 1911s and they all shot fine, 2 P89s - fine,2 P95s - fine,Berettas - fine,multiple revolvers, multiple surplus guns, multiple pocket guns - fine, etc - all fine. Honestly, the M&P is the only gun where fans tell owners to buy something else just so nobody brings up legitimate problems. It's been the same on other forums so it must be a brand thing.

The M&P has everything I could ever want in a poly gun, but the accuracy is not there in my particular model. My Shield shoots close to 2" groups at the same 15 yard distance even though it has less grip, a shorter barrel and sight radius while using the same ammo I tried in the FS.

The thing I see most is the older model owners talk about decent accuracy ,yet you'll get random people talking about the accuracy problem in the FS 9mms, post Compact introduction. It's enough of a problem that a very well known and trusted aftermarket parts company is designing new locking blocks and barrels to improve the accuracy and lock up in models exhibiting these issues.

ETA: I'd link a current thread with 9" groups at 15 yards while being bench rested and pictures of targets from another forum and FS 9mm but I know that's against the rules. Let's just say ARFCOM and leave it at that. I'm glad not all models share the characteristic of mine and many others, but considering it's random, it's hard to pin point the problem in the production line.

I love the m&p. The one I would never trust my life to would be a Sig. Why? Because personally, I cant hit a dang thing with them. I have tried multiple different ones, all with the same result.

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[RH45]

Unless you have fired an unholy number of rounds, that would be the opposite of what I would expect, but stranger things have happened, I'm sure. When you get a chance to test your gun again, I would be interested to learn how it comes out?

I agree with you that wondering whether the pistol or ammunition has let you down is not productive, and also agree that 2-inches, maybe 2.5-inches maximum, inspires a lot more confidence than 3-4 inches.

I found that it was shooting 5-6" groups at 25 yards, and there was a huge burr sticking up, at the front of the barrel hood. I almost cut the burr off, but, sent it to S&W. It came back saying NO work had been done, and it was within their accuracy specs. It looked like a blind man used a horribly rough grinder to remove the burr. I took it to the range, and it still shot crappy. I sent it back to S&W, and got a call saying they were going to replace the bbl. He also said nobody there had ground/removed burr. It now shoots 2" groups again, but, only with 115 jhp.
In the screwing around with the Pro, I bought a fairly new full sized and it consistantly shoots 2" at 25 yards, but, only with 115 grain jhp. I tried two of my friends compacts, and could get just a little over 2" at 25 yards with both, after I found what they preferred for ammo, so I bought a compact. NOT HAPPY 6" at 25 yards with a current production gun. Thinking of getting a KKM for it.

 

[cwallace]

Finally!!!

After 3 trips to S&W, and most recently the 2nd new barrel installed over XMAS, my M&P Full Size 9mm shoots consistent groups. I was practicing for USPSA the day I shot it, and set aside my STI Limited gun, and was ripping off fast clean 2-3" groups at 10 yds, and cleaning the plate rack. I will bench rest it at the range in the future, but I now know that it will shoot! Not a single flyer, which was what I was experiencing after the first barrel replacement. Un-F*#%ing-Believable!!!

The lugs on the new barrel are certainly different, very sharp on the edge, a bit more radius and a round cut-out at the inner most transition from the barrel to the lug protrusion.

Hopefully it stays this way. This gun had become a safe ****, and now I can bring it out and shoot it! It will probably live in my safe at work for protection when not being shot by my wife who loves the feel of this gun.

Not sure if I should say Thanks Smith and Wesson.... or not!
Just glad it is now a shooter!

Cw