M&P........Glock

[Anton Chigurh]

I suppose I am behind the curve, but is the M&P basically the same pistol as the Glock, with better ergonomics ?

"Safe action", 3 passive safeties, double action, etc? Just trying to catch up........

 

[Anton Chigurh]

I suppose I am behind the curve, but is the M&P basically the same pistol as the Glock, with better ergonomics ?

"Safe action", 3 passive safeties, double action, etc? Just trying to catch up........

 

[David Hineline]

As far as I am concerned Glock screwed the pooch when they went with molded in finger grips.

The glock striker final cocks as the trigger is pulled.

The MP trigger is full prepped waiting for the sear to pivot away.

MP available with mag safety, external safety, child safety lock, MP changable backstraps for hand size,

 

[gmchenry]

The Glock has frame rail tabs and the M&P has a more robust stainless steel skeleton within the polymer frame and has beefier rails.

 

[Anton Chigurh]

I have 4 Glocks......was 8, then 4 of them turned int M&Ps, simply because the grips were so much more comfortable........not that I mind the finger grooves on Glocks, but they are large grips for the caliber. A M&P 45c is the same size as a G19, and the grips are even a bit thinner.
I just wasn't sure if the firing and safety mechanisms were the same, more or less.
Thanks for the clarification David......appears the M&P is more correctly labeled a single action......although the Glocks having been deemed a DA is a little bit of a gift.
Should have read more about the M&Ps shen they first came out.........

 

[OKFC05]

appears the M&P is more correctly labeled a single action

The M&P was submitted and approved as a "double action" by the ATF and IDPA.

Technically it is neither, but a striker-fired "safe-action." (which is not on the ATF list??!?)

One of the topics in IDPA is why the XD remains a "signle action" in ESP while the Glock and M&P are both in SSP. Especially since any increased cocking motion can be eliminated in a modified 2# Glock trigger. The answer really is historically how Springfield submitted the paperwork, not in the engineering.

USPSA puts all of them in Production.

 

[TSQUARED]

The Glocks are reliable pistols with suitable accuracy for the usual games. I find the ergonomics of the grip on the M&P to be much more to my liking. It ismsimilar to the older S&W 99/WaltherP99. I also appreciate the easier takedown system of the S&W M&P when compared to the Glock. In my opinion S&W really put together a real winner.

 

[Anton Chigurh]

Agree about the ergonomics.......but I can take down a Glock in 3 seconds......and not blow my foot off.
The S&W system is better, though, for those who are not as cautious......just a few more seconds...another step.
Love them both..........but am moving to the S&W system due to their user friendliness, mostly in the grip.....not sure what Austrian hand was used to be the model for the Glock. Did they consult with Dr. J ?
The Glock compacts are not so bad...the subcompacts are the worst.....big, stupid hump, no purchase for the pinky......
But they are still the gold standard........not one glitch after hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds with my Glocks.....if they ever deigned to honor their customer's wishes (grip issues), they would remain on top.......but I doubt they will, and S&W will take away a big share of the market.

 

[gmchenry]

The Sigma and the M&P have JMB's 1911 grip angle and they are comfortable and point naturally. Who'd-a-thunkit?

 

[OKFC05]

not sure what Austrian hand was used to be the model for the Glock.

Did you ever fire a Luger Pistole 08?

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh:
Agree about the ergonomics.......but I can take down a Glock in 3 seconds......and not blow my foot off..

The use of the sear disconnect lever to uncock the striker is optional in the M&P.

I never use it. I simply make sure the chamber is clear every time I pick up one of my handguns. If I need to take down one of my M&Ps, I simply hold the trigger down as I move the slide off the frame. Takes as long as it does on a Glock.

 

[TSQUARED]

I find it easier to remove the slide assembly from the S&W M&P thanm from the Glock. The S&W M&P series takedown lever is similsr to that used on the Sig pistols.

 

[carlt]

I strip down my MP9 in seconds without the take down lever. Checking the slide should be seconde nature for anyone who owns a firearm. No issues thus far.

 

[Will B]

I've had a S&W M&P 45 for almost two years and it is the best semi auto available. It's more than the better ergonomics of a Glock it is the sighting and smooth action that makes it a better hand gun. Comes down to what to you want in your hand if you have to use it. Shoot both and it is an easy choice. Truly impressive how light weight a 45 with a ten round clip can be with out giving up preformance. I carry my M&P 45 with out an extra mag because I know I can hit what I shoot at. If a carried a glock I would also carry extra mags. A side note is the M&P trigger, best invention since double action.

 

[Will B]

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh:
Agree about the ergonomics.......but I can take down a Glock in 3 seconds......and not blow my foot off.
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It takes more than three seconds to remove the clip and check the barrel for a round. If you do this first there is no way you can blow your foot off. All the same if you can strip a Glock in 3 seconds I expect that will be on the Glock page soon or on utube.

 

[Lt JL]

Oh, boy, am I ever gonna get flamed here. In my defense, my EDCs are Sigs, a226 a 229 and a 239. I have Glocks 17, 19 26. I intended to buy a M&P today, based on all of you fellows' ringing endorsements. So I picked up a .45 at my LGS, it fit my hand, and had the WORSt trigger ever!! I tried a 9mm long slide, it was only marginally better. How long does it take to smooth it out? Can the pull be lightened?

 

[gmchenry]

If it's anything like my SW99s, it took about 500 rounds. If you dry fire it more, then it should take fewer rounds.

 

[RichardC]

Dry fire.

You do that anyway, right?

 

[WPWarhawk]

IMO the M&P series are equivalent to a much improved GLOCK. I also think we'll see a new generation GLOCK soon that has ergos similar to the M&P.

 

[Matt Murphy]

Lt JL. What in the world are EDCs and LGS? I need to know ASAP. OK. Haha. Just kiddin'. I love my M&P and think the trigger is alot better than a new Glocks trigger. The M&P trigger will smooth and lighten up alittle on it's own but alot of gunsmith's claim it can be lightened alot...to around 2.5-3 lbs.
Will B. You ever been shot at and had to return fire? You sure you always hit what you aim at, even when it's shootin' at you? I don't carry extra mags either but only because of weight and concealment issues. I hope the rounds I carry are enough to get me to safety until the calvary shows up. The words never and always will get you almost every time.