M&P Trigger Satisfaction

[3hounds]

No, it does not make you a "better shooter." It compensates for a lack of skill. That's not the same thing. There is no quick fix for acquiring a skill, that's why it's a skill, it takes practice.

Put your "better shooter" up against a clock, much less a SD situation and watch them fail from a lack of practice.

Apparently you did not read my post or understand it.

I said nothing about skill.

You act like I said you would be dead eye dick if you put a spring kit in.

Of course you have to practice but not as much vs a terrible gritty trigger.

Did you modify any of your firearms ?

Maybe use a scope on a rifle instead of open sights.


You said it yourself it compensates for the lack of skill.

Your telling me a new shooter that has a 10 lb. trigger pull will be a better shooter faster than if he had a 5lb. trigger pull ?

I see your point I really do about practice.


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[S&W45Colt]

Apparently you did not read my post or understand it.

I said nothing about skill.

You act like I said you would be dead eye dick if you put a spring kit in.

Of course you have to practice but not as much vs a terrible gritty trigger.

Did you modify any of your firearms ?

Maybe use a scope on a rifle instead of open sights.


You said it yourself it compensates for the lack of skill.

Your telling me a new shooter that has a 10 lb. trigger pull will be a better shooter faster than if he had a 5lb. trigger pull ?

I see your point I really do about practice.


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No, I got it. My point was it's about more than just fixing one gun, but you said you get what I was saying. No need in my soap boxing anymore. Have a good evening Sir.

 

[Dr.um]

Count me as another who calls himself satisfied with a recent M&P factory trigger. My Shield 9 was made at the beginning of June and its trigger is exactly as I'd hoped and nowhere near as bad as I'd feared.

I only have one other M&P with which to compare this new one, a 45 FS, with Apex parts installed by a previous owner. The trigger on that 45 is marvelous. Stageable and quite crisp with short take up and quick reset. If anything, it is a bit too light a pull for a carry gun w now safety, IMHO. As a long time 1911 guy, I am well acquainted with good triggers.

This Shield, on the other hand has a bit more take up to a very stageable and much harder but still quite crisp break. If the 45 is pulling 5lbs or less, the shield is probably over 7lbs pull wise, but it is clean and crisp and I would be confident to carry this with a round in the pipe, safety off, even in a pocket.

Can't wait to try it at the range.

Thanks S&W for making such a nice product.

 

[Nutshell]

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

 

[D Rock]

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

I know what you mean. Showing my age here but as I said, when I was younger all I carried was revolvers but most of my friends carried 1911s.

Back then when you spent several hundred dollars for your 1911 it was considered a "starter package". Then you put several hundred rounds thru it to see what work needed to be done, then sent it off to the gunsmith to have problems corrected. You also often had to decide if you wanted a reliability package or a competition package. You usually couldn't have both. All things considered, I think we're pretty lucky today.

Dave

 

[gnystrom]

Trigger job or not, it was nice to see that gun broken down and put back together. I did put a Apex Hard Sear in awhile back and today ten minutes with some sandpaper on the trigger bar bearing points made the trigger glass smooth.

Thank you for the great videos.

 

[1fly2ty]

You don't have to put an Apex kit in a M&P to have a great trigger, you can do a burwell trigger job and have a trigger that is totally comparable too an Apex kit. I to started out on revolvers, and we had a drill where we kept squeezing the trigger repeatadly but not allowing the trigger to fully cycle, this taught you at the exact point the trigger would make a complete cycle. Now back to the M&P, If you took 2 new shooters and put them side by side one with an M&P with a tuned up trigger and the other with a standard factory trigger that is gritty and and a 7.5 or greater trigger pull, I will guarantee you the with some basic marksmanship principles taught to both, the guy with the tuned trigger will come out ahead every single time, because onece he has sight alignment and trigger control down he will disturb his sights less trying to get the trigger to break.
To the gent that said you shouldn't have to spend $100.00 for another trigger after spending $500.00 for the gun is correct, and like I said in an earlier post it is personal preference you could just do a light polish and have a much better trigger!
The person that said practice, practice ,practice is spot on, I am fortunate because most time I shoot at least 3 days a week some can't due to cost and now lack of ammo. There is no substitute for an intimate relationship with operation of your firearm of choice, if you ever get into a situation where you must react under less than ideal circumstances. Remember the mind is like a parachute it works best when it's open!

 

[JaredStephen]

This might be a stupid question, and if it is forgive me, what does the grittiness come from? I noticed my trigger is gritty, I figured I just need to put more rounds through it. I don't have the money for ammo as much as I like, or the time to spend at the range either.

To the person that sanded their sear, what part exactly did you sand?

I'm actually happy with the weight of the trigger pull. It is lighter than my LC-9 which I guess makes sense since the LC-9 is a CCW and you don't want it to accidentally discharge which would make sense. The M&P is a shorter trigger as well, which I did find interesting.

 

[D Rock]

The gritty feeling comes from the striker block going up and down in the channel in the slide. Not only can the striker block and the hole it fits into be rough, but often the block moves at an angle in the hole, causing a gritty or binding feel to the trigger.

Dave

 

[gnystrom]

To the gent that said you shouldn't have to spend $100.00 for another trigger after spending $500.00 for the gun is correct,

I cant' argue and I really find it interesting that when buying a new $2000 Freedom Arms revolver, for only $125 more you can get it with a factory trigger job.

 

[cmm5350]

I stopped reading about half way down and I am just going to throw my .2 cents in. I did a trigger job on my M&P9 FS for the simple reason that when something is broken I need to fix it. The stock hinged trigger on the m&P is garbage and whoever thought up the design should be fired. Now let me say I probably put close to 10k rounds through this gun before I went to do my upgrades and also have shoot many many many guns in the past. I am a young kid so I am going to fall into you experienced folks stereotype (24 and shooting strong). I shoot a lot of USPSA and IDPA and I needed something that I felt my more to my ability in comfort and performance. The poly trigger feels better then the hinged trigger and the new springs creates faster trigger pulls for those double taps. There are reasons why these parts are made and anyone who thinks that anything that comes out of any gun manufacture is perfect needs to open their eyes. I now have the gun I wish it was from the factory. It now does the job it was supposed to do that no amount of practice was going to fix. This gun now shoots the way I FEEL that it needs to. Which is exactly what it comes down to, how I FEEL. I went from a gun that I liked and practice with exclusively to a gun that I now love. I don't have the money to go out and buy another gun that might have fit my needs better, or something that I think was more suitable to my competitions, however I was willing to spend a little time and money to take this gun there. For those of you who think the M&P just has something missing I implore you to get the poly trigger at the very least.

 

[Nutshell]

I stopped reading about half way down and I am just going to throw my .2 cents in. I did a trigger job on my M&P9 FS for the simple reason that when something is broken I need to fix it. The stock hinged trigger on the m&P is garbage and whoever thought up the design should be fired. Now let me say I probably put close to 10k rounds through this gun before I went to do my upgrades and also have shoot many many many guns in the past. I am a young kid so I am going to fall into you experienced folks stereotype (24 and shooting strong). I shoot a lot of USPSA and IDPA and I needed something that I felt my more to my ability in comfort and performance. The poly trigger feels better then the hinged trigger and the new springs creates faster trigger pulls for those double taps. There are reasons why these parts are made and anyone who thinks that anything that comes out of any gun manufacture is perfect needs to open their eyes. I now have the gun I wish it was from the factory. It now does the job it was supposed to do that no amount of practice was going to fix. This gun now shoots the way I FEEL that it needs to. Which is exactly what it comes down to, how I FEEL. I went from a gun that I liked and practice with exclusively to a gun that I now love. I don't have the money to go out and buy another gun that might have fit my needs better, or something that I think was more suitable to my competitions, however I was willing to spend a little time and money to take this gun there. For those of you who think the M&P just has something missing I implore you to get the poly trigger at the very least.

You are wise beyond your years! Great observations. Couldn't agree more. I just did the APEX kit and poly trigger. Had it at the range today and put 300 flawless rounds through it. Now that is how it should have come from the factory.

 

[Sansho]

^^ +1. I have a FS45 built in Feb this year ... the entire feel of the trigger was vague. I could have spent a bunch to better "learn" the trigger, but it just wasn't enjoyable to shoot (and I have shot a few rounds over the years, so not exactly new to it).

Installing the poly FSS Apex trigger kit is perfect. Predictable firing each time. As mentioned above, it now fits what I need in my M&P. Of course it shoots way better than I do, however, I have a more balanced platform to close that gap.

 

[Nutshell]

Predictable firing each time. As mentioned above, it now fits what I need in my M&P. Of course it shoots way better than I do, however, I have a more balanced platform to close that gap.

Exactly! How do you like the FSS? Do you carry with it? I have the DCAEK and love it. I've never shot the FSS. How does it compare to a Glock trigger?

 

[OneJzsupra]

I have a core with all the Apex gear and i'll say after some messing around I've noticed a few things.

I noticed that the trigger pull while free of grit and very easy I noticed what appeared to be a very very slight notch in the trigger. It really didn't bother me, but I was bored and it was fathers day and the kids had where taking a nap.

So what I ended up doing was polishing a few parts to include the following:

Apex Sear
Feed ramp
Trigger Bar
Apex USB
The part of the striker that gets pulled back
Ejector
and I ended up uses some flitz on one part that i'll go into more detail.

So after the polish everything was now nice and slick to create less friction. So what I've seen is that the notch I could feel in the trigger is actual due to the trigger bar. The trigger bar when pulled back with a slight load very slightly contacts the side of the slide stop. It seems that when it contacts it'll cause the trigger bar to pivot inward a little causing the slight notch I felt. So after a polish of the trigger bar and some flitz on the inside of the right slide stop I can hardly feel it if at al.

I used my dermal with mothers metal polish.

 

[Llando88]

This whole trigger thing is confusing.

Is the Apex basically a kit of parts you install?

Or can you build up the changes in stages, with just one part first? Or is it an all or nothing thing?

 

[Danno_man]

This whole trigger thing is confusing.

Is the Apex basically a kit of parts you install?

Or can you build up the changes in stages, with just one part first? Or is it an all or nothing thing?

Yes and yes.

You can start with just the sear, then add the USB, then springs, then RAM, then the AEK trigger.

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[OneJzsupra]

Yes and yes.

You can start with just the sear, then add the USB, then springs, then RAM, then the AEK trigger.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

Exactly,
they have a list of parts you can decide to buy and install which parts you'd like.

 

[Sansho]

How do you like the FSS? Do you carry with it? I have the DCAEK and love it. I've never shot the FSS. How does it compare to a Glock trigger?

I really like the FSS. Haven't shot with only DCAEK or a Glock, so can't comment on those. The Poly FSS kit comes with two trigger springs, which is helpful to tune the trigger pull weight.

 

[K.macocker]

In my opinion, the factory trigger is lacking at best. I shouldn't have to pay $500.00 for a gun, then put $100.00 plus in APEX parts to get a decent trigger. I'm an S&W guy all the way, I love the feel of all my M&P's but the trigger needs an improvement.

Agreed 100%!!
Better polished/cut parts and slight structure differences and a trigger job would not be necessary at all!
Mine is fine (.40 feb 2013 fs) but I've dry fired several at stores that were awful gritty!!! Remove Just the grit and the trigger is fine. S&W could easily make that adjustment!