M&P trigger spring with white buffer (tampon)

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Is this going to stop my shield if it gets wet or if gun oil gets on it? This was a total shock to me and now I feel I have a delicate gun. I would love to hear from fastbolt on this one, I really respect his opinion.
 
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my compact had a spring break with the tampon, someone said I must have gotten it wet or gotten oil on it. I know I did get clp one it, whether that caused it to break I don't know. it did break at about the 7000 round count.
 
Just imagine how much junk gets on it when you fire it. It will be fine. Just blow it out lightly with compressed air. BTW. My fs9 has the apex kit in it. There is no tampon in the spring, just the stock one. Over 1500 rounds, heck maybe more or less. I don't keep count. Never had a problem.My 9c is stock and no issues.
 
The "tampon" was installed to reduce vibration. They had those springs break prematurely in early models. They speculated that it was due to the spring ringing as the gun was fired. The insert seems to have reduced, but not eliminated, the failure rate of those springs.

No, getting oil on it is not a show stopper.
 
I first saw the white fiber insert in the trigger spring of a Sigma, during a Sigma pistol armorer class. (Guess how long ago that class occurred? ;) )

We were told the engineers had decided to use the fiber insert to prevent spring fatigue caused by the shock of recoil force harmonics (since the spring is located at the front, up at the locking block, where a lot of force is transmitted to the spring).

It was said that during testing, S&W had found that without the insert, it was possible a spring might fatigue as soon as 3K rounds, but the spring lasted a long time with the simple fiber insert.

It was also mentioned that if the insert were to become thoroughly wet, such as if the gun became submerged, that it would still perform its intended function, and as long as it didn't slip out of the spring, it would dry out just fine.

The trigger spring (or its fiber insert) isn't a lubrication point :p, but it's not a problem if it gets exposed to solvent, oil or CLP. Most owners/ users forget it's even there once it gets grey or black from powder fouling. :)

Hardly surprising that S&W would take advantage of this little engineering trick when it came time to design their new M&P pistol.

This isn't the first time this sort of vibration & harmonic dampener concept has been used in a small firearm coil spring, BTW.
 
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I broke the trigger return spring on my comp gun at about 40K rounds. I think the little tab on the trigger bar wore through the loop on one end.
 

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The Apex springs that come with the DCAEK and FSS kits have the inserts now also.
 
... but it's not a problem if it gets exposed to solvent, oil or CLP. ..

The trigger "tampon" made of fiberous material will eventually degrade from solvent.

And wetting the "tampon" with any type of liquid (i.e. water, oil, solvent) will reduce its vibration dampening ability when fired in that condition, which will negatively affect the life of the trigger spring.
 
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So why not replace it with a rubber dampener, like a pencil eraser or something similar? (Not a real eraser, but a silicone rubber insert of some kind.) seems like that would be pretty impervious to just about anything you could get on it.
 
The trigger "tampon" made of fiberous material will eventually degrade from solvent.

And wetting the "tampon" with any type of liquid (i.e. water, oil, solvent) will reduce its vibration dampening ability when fired in that condition, which will negatively affect the life of the trigger spring.

Yes, but ...

Getting exposed to some occasional solvent/CLP/lubricant is a different thing than getting continually drenched in something, and remaining wet, especially if it's a strong solvent. (Why would that be needed for something other than the barrel, though?)

When they were explaining how the fiber insert would still work if exposed to unexpected liquids (like water submersion), it was explained from the perspective of it being an exigent situation, not a condition where the liquid was continually present in excessive amounts for long term. Once the exigency was over, it was expected that the gun would be decontaminated/cleaned, and a new trigger bar spring installed, if needed (damaged or didn't dry out).

It was even mentioned at one point that if the weapon had to be kept in the field for some duration of an emergency, and the fiber insert became so wet it slipped out of the spring, that a 'field expedient' replacement could be used, in the form of a tightly rolled cigarette filter stuffed into the spring.

Well, the inserts in the current springs look tightly enough contained within the springs at each end, that I'd not be overly concerned about losing one (but I don't have any of the older ones left over from the early Sigma days to make a comparison of any spring revisions that may have occurred).

Besides, since their best guesstimate offered back then was that the springs might fatigue without an insert within 3K rounds being fired, and I'd think it would be easy enough to get a new spring in a working gun quickly enough.

Also, the standard replacement recommendation for duty guns is to replace the spring every 5K rounds fired, which is a conservative recommendation for dedicated defensive guns. They acknowledge the trigger bar springs (and other springs) are lasting longer than that in comp guns.

As far as a plastic insert? Good question. One we asked way back then, too. After all, the Colt AR extractor spring uses one or another density of plastic insert, right? The answer was that the fiber one worked fine for the intended application and duration, and the trigger spring design is obviously different than the extractor spring in an AR (or the aftermarket trigger spring widget designed for the Beretta 96 many years ago).

Of course, if many owners and issued users didn't often drench their pistols with solvents, CLP's & lubes for "cleaning", we'd not have to worry about excessive exposure of liquids to critical areas like striker assemblies & striker channels, extractors, trigger springs w/fiber inserts, bores, magazine bodies, etc.

I swear, some people seem to think they can use the same 'hose down and drench' cleaning methods they use on their cars, when cleaning guns.

Of course, some folks don't seem to be inclined to read the directions and precautions on cleaning & lubrication product labels, either. Now that we have more gun products that are less toxic (not to mention more environmentally friendly and less 'aromatic'), it makes sense to reduce needless expose to products which might risk damage to guns (like plastics, or holding the tubes holding tritium vials in sights, etc), as well as reduce some potential risk health risks to people.
 
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