M&P trigger
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Rastoff
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The C.O.R.E. triggers are the same unless it's a Performance Center gun.
My new 12/15 Shield has a much improved trigger compared to the 9/13 Shield I purchased.
It is smoother and has a better let-off and less over travel. It still has a long take-up and it is definitely too heavy at 7.75 lbs. Polishing trigger components might reduce that a pound and get it within S&W specs (~6.5 lbs), or shooting a few hundred rounds might produce a similar result.
What kind of trigger do you want? Competition, general use, self defense? How light?
A polished, lightly sprung Performance Center trigger can come in around 4+ lbs., which some may consider light. Apex triggers come in different flavors from 4-5.5 lbs but cost from $90 up to $150 extra.
It is smoother and has a better let-off and less over travel. It still has a long take-up and it is definitely too heavy at 7.75 lbs. Polishing trigger components might reduce that a pound and get it within S&W specs (~6.5 lbs), or shooting a few hundred rounds might produce a similar result.
What kind of trigger do you want? Competition, general use, self defense? How light?
A polished, lightly sprung Performance Center trigger can come in around 4+ lbs., which some may consider light. Apex triggers come in different flavors from 4-5.5 lbs but cost from $90 up to $150 extra.
catcus-jack
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If you want a good trigger forget the M&P and get a SIG P320.
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I just bought a Shield in 9mm Saturday; 1/2/16. Will try and get out today for a first shooting to give her a shakedown cruise. The trigger is a bit "gritty" in the take up but seems to break cleanly. Won't guess on the poundage but it's up there but seems "do-able" with practice and I think it'll get better over time with a couple of hundred rounds through it. My mindset is that this ain't a target pistol and that it'll do what it was intended to do. My problem is I'm used to older 'smith DA's with their superb single action trigger pulls and its spoiled me. Practice with the Shield should make everything okay as this appears to be one fine carry pistol. I like it!
The Preacher
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I think the guys above answered: no, the M&P line trigger has not changed lately.
If you buy a new pistol, you can expect some grittiness from the striker block profile that 'wears in' through several thousand rounds / dry fires. The trigger pull will continue being fairly heavy (8 lbs for a FS9) as befits a service / duty gun, which it was designed to be.
If you can wait a bit, you might want to see what S&W reveals at SHOT. There are persistent rumors of a second generation M&P line introduced to compete under the Army's Modular Handgun System contract. Submittals to the MHS are due to the Government this month, I believe.
Since it appears a key requirement of MHS is accuracy (some sources quoting 1.5" at 50 yard groups), it may also be that the M&P Gen 2 will address the accuracy issues that seem to dog the 9 mm full size M&P in particular.
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Just got back from the range (31 degrees w/wind) with my new (purchased 1/2/16) Shield in 9mm. Shake down cruise and nary a hitch...the trigger isn't an issue and this little pistol is a gem...wait'n for two holsters now, a tuckable from Talon and an ankle from Desantis; and then she'll be my new CCW. I'm more then a bit pleased.
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Could you elaborate on specifically, what you are referring to? I'm not aware of any changes to the SB profile, or parts changes in recent production M&P pistols, but I'd be curious if you have additional info on this.
According to S&W, all M&P pistols were going to be issued the enhanced trigger that the Shield had. This was supposed to take place around April 2015. The barrels were also going to have a tighter twist to improve accuracy, which was also a problem of the past. I can tell you that it is 100% better. I took a tactical pistol class in November and my full size M&P 9mm was hitting steel 6" wide by 13" high at a distance of 65 yds. My old M&P would not do that. My old M&P was off target by 12" at 25 yds.
My 2 1/2 year old M&P40C has a better trigger than my older (7 years?) full size M&P40. Less grit even with polishing the trigger bar in the FS. It's still a bit heavy at 6 - 6 1/2 lbs but fine for SD carry. I haven't measured the trigger pull on the FS but it feels the same.
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I'm not trying to take business away from the aftermarket companies, but I haven't bought an M&P yet that had a trigger that wouldn't smooth out after some lube and a couple hundred rounds. I first fired an M&P 40 in something like late 2007. The cop who had it issued said the trigger wasn't great compared to Glocks. Which I'd been shooting and carrying for about 20 years at the time. Oddly enough, I didn't notice the negative qualities, and bought a new 45 in early 2009. Granted, all my M&Ps are blue label guns, but I judged the triggers were probably a pound heavier than the standard Glock trigger. My most recent purchases were two 9mm Shields last month. I noted one trigger was slightly more crisp than the other, but neither were out of line for a small, concealable, affordable-priced personal defense pistol. In all the time I've been interested in the M&P line, I've only seen a couple at stores that had really bad actions, and I didn't buy them. If the LGS will let you fry fire before buying and you're not comfortable, leave that one at the store.
My experience has found that a dry fire training routine will help a shooter get used to the trigger of his/her pistol more effectively than additional expenses and possible legal hassles in the event of a shooting or an accident. Work with and master what you're shooting/carrying. If you do ultimately decide to go with an aftermarket trigger, you're still obligated to master it. I have run some guns with trigger jobs over the years, but never really noted that they were absolutely essential and in themselves provided me with any great accuracy improvements. I have encountered a few guns over the years that came equipped with horrible, triggers that made the worst M&P seem like a custom job. Fortunately none of them came home with me.
My experience has found that a dry fire training routine will help a shooter get used to the trigger of his/her pistol more effectively than additional expenses and possible legal hassles in the event of a shooting or an accident. Work with and master what you're shooting/carrying. If you do ultimately decide to go with an aftermarket trigger, you're still obligated to master it. I have run some guns with trigger jobs over the years, but never really noted that they were absolutely essential and in themselves provided me with any great accuracy improvements. I have encountered a few guns over the years that came equipped with horrible, triggers that made the worst M&P seem like a custom job. Fortunately none of them came home with me.
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My 40c made November 2012 .. nothing done to it .. completely stock and the trigger breaks at or just under 6 1/2 pounds also .. think if I had it polished it would drop another pound ..
hits a wall then a crisps break and very little over travel about 1/8 inch reset ..
Was a little gritty and over 8 pounds closer to 9 when new but I've got around 800 rounds though it now and it has smoothed out nicely .. has run 100% with what I have put through it !!
Pleased with its accuracy .. last time to the range at 30 feet 10 round 1 3/4 to 2 3/4 inch groups off handed ..
I was at my LGS this morning looking for another holster for my Shield (test fire date April 15, 2013). I have had a small desire for a M&P45c. They had one, so I asked to handle it. Knowing what was stated a few posts ago that the Shield trigger was supposed to make its way through all M&P models, I was surprised and disappointed at how horrible it felt compared to my Shield. This store moves a lot of guns, so I assume this example was quite new. I may go back and check the serial number for reference. I wish I had thought of that when I was there.
Had it felt as crisp as my Shield (which I dry fired with it), I probably would have brought it home with me.
Had it felt as crisp as my Shield (which I dry fired with it), I probably would have brought it home with me.
New FS9, have only about 200 rounds. Was also thinking about changing the trigger with Apex, but from earlier posts, maybe I should continue to shoot to see if pull becomes more smooth feel? Was looking at other YouTube 'how too's' and one segment was practicing dry fire trigger pulls to get comfortable in the take up, and fire. Have heard both yes and no to dry fire being bad for striker, opinions?
Congrats! That is a good reliable pistol.
I have 3,000+ through mine. It will get smoother with time, either rounds or dry firing.
What will not change is the trigger pull weight.
If you swap out for the Apex D/CAEK, both the trigger will be smoother (from the more round profile of the striker block) amd the weight will be reduced (from the Apex sear).
Yes, you should have no issues dry firing. If you are concerned, you can purchase snap caps (inert "fake" cartridge) to use in the chamber.
Rastoff
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Dry practice will not harm your striker/gun in any way. Without exaggeration, I have hundreds of thousands of dry presses on my handguns. I have yet to experience a malfunction of any kind due to dry practice.
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How is the improvement with the DCAEK and the one piece polymer trigger for the 9C? It's a carry so didn't want to go all the way w/ the FSS kit.
Cbollo
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Bought an M&P 9 in Sept and the trigger feels good to me. Biggest difference between this and my friend's G23 is the reset in the glock is more tactile and audible, but only by a little. There is no 'crunchiness' or 'gritty' feeling in the trigger pull, and the break is nice and crisp.
