M&P Trigger

[brianc401]

Hi All,
I'm just curious and I can't find the answer anywhere.... or maybe I just haven't picked the right key words in my search, yet. Why is the M&P line the only guns with that hinged trigger? Did S&W release they're first striker-fired pistol before the Glock-style trigger patent ran out?...and they've just decided to stick with it ever since? It can't be that they just wanted to be different, could it?
If anyone knows, I love to know.....just for curiosity sake.
Thanks!

 

[swsig]

The lower (hinged) part of the trigger operates the trigger safety. You have to have your grip just right to release the safety. It's to prevent those of us who like to stick our fingers randomly inside the trigger guard from having negligent discharges.

I'm not sure why S&W designed it that way. Maybe they just didn't want to slavishly copy Glock's tabbed trigger safety thingee or SIG's no trigger safety thingee.

 

[Shield9mm]

if you want something different get the apex trigger they have the polymer curved, the aluminum curved, and aluminum flat face trigger to choose.

 

[stavey]

In my 45acp 2.0 trigger pull is super smooth 4.25lb break with a polish job and apex sear. None of the hinge feeling like before.

 

[KELSW]

I like my stock 2.0 9mm trigger . I also have a ppq m2 . Both have different feels but each has it's own merit . Curious about the CZ p10 . Someone let me try their fn 509 which I thought was also good . The newest gen 5 glock is suppose to have a flatter face trigger curious about that one too .

 

[dwcopple]

The Apex more glock-like trigger is a $38 addition. Should be easy enough to install for most

 

[MichiganScott]

Hi All,
I'm just curious and I can't find the answer anywhere.... or maybe I just haven't picked the right key words in my search, yet. Why is the M&P line the only guns with that hinged trigger? Did S&W release they're first striker-fired pistol before the Glock-style trigger patent ran out?...and they've just decided to stick with it ever since? It can't be that they just wanted to be different, could it?
If anyone knows, I love to know.....just for curiosity sake.
Thanks!

Glock sued S&W in 1994 for patent infringement when the Sigma was introduced. In the end, Smith and Wesson agreed to "remove the surface located below the sear in the Sigma Series Pistols, which Glock contends is a positive guide means, and Glock has agreed that such a modification would resolve the patent infringement claim."

While no one in an official position is willing to say how much S&W will pay Glock, informed sources put the figure at between $5 and $8 million. It is possible that S&W agreed to never change the trigger after Glock's patent expired.

 

[5150ds]

I do not shoot from a bench rest, I train for combat. Would I like a little less uptake, yes. However, the trigger is fine for what most people need. If I slowly pull the trigger, it feels gritty. When I am trying to shoot quickly, I don't notice. I barely notice the hinge. I have later first gen M&P's and a 2.0. The reset seems good to me.

 

[Americanpatriot]

I like the trigger personally. The 2.0 and Walther have the best factory trigger on any Polymer pistols I've handled

 

[micocyco]

I do not shoot from a bench rest, I train for combat. Would I like a little less uptake, yes. However, the trigger is fine for what most people need. If I slowly pull the trigger, it feels gritty. When I am trying to shoot quickly, I don't notice. I barely notice the hinge. I have later first gen M&P's and a 2.0. The reset seems good to me.

Please describe ' gritty ' feel ?
I have heard this over & over about all kinds of guns with all kinds of triggers. I have S&W M&P, SD & revolver. The SDve is the one I hear it most about & I just do not find it as hard as I try.
I shot the bodyguard with the worst trigger I have ever shot but still no grit. I have a new LCP II & sure enough people are saying it has a gritty light trigger, but in truth it has the best trigger of any pocket pistol I have used.
Maybe it is me maybe I am looking for the wrong feeling

 

[bsmiley]

I have handled 5 Shield 9s bought during the $75 off rebate. Some definitely had gritty triggers (not smooth, like there was some grit between the friction surfaces). A friend bought all 3 calibers. The 45 was smooth and even. The 40 was pretty smooth but required extra pull at the break. His 9 was gritty & stagey.
Maybe its relative to what you're used to, or have experienced.
My Pro 9 stock trigger wasn't gritty or stagey. It had a lot of pre-travel. I use it for IDPA and target shooting fun. I replaced it and would never return to stock.
My Shield 9 was gritty and stagey but I always planned to Apex it, so I didn't mind.
The Apex sear alone will cure most complaints, but if you polish the USB you have to remove the rear sight. So I just put in the whole kit, sear, alum trigger, USB, etc.
Its the best money I ever spent on a firearm. Its the best striker duty trigger I've shot.
If you're happy with your stock trigger I say great. But don't visit the range with me, because mine will ruin you.

 

[micocyco]

I have handled 5 Shield 9s bought during the $75 off rebate. Some definitely had gritty triggers (not smooth, like there was some grit between the friction surfaces). A friend bought all 3 calibers. The 45 was smooth and even. The 40 was pretty smooth but required at the break. His 9 was gritty & stagey.
Maybe its relative to what you're used to, or have experienced.
My Pro 9 stock trigger wasn't gritty or stagey. It had a lot of pre-travel. I use it for IDPA and target shooting fun. I replaced it and would never return to stock.
My Shield 9 was gritty and stagey but I always planned to Apex it, so I didn't mind.
The Apex sear alone will cure most complaints, but if you polish the USB you have to remove the rear sight. So I just put in the whole kit, sear, alum trigger, USB, etc.
Its the best money I ever spent on a firearm. Its the best striker duty trigger I've shot.
If you're happy with your stock trigger I say great. But don't visit the range with me, because mine will ruin you.

I would love to visit the range with you. You bring your hotrod & I'll bring mine, it's not a S&W mind you. Where are you by the way ? I am in the great free state of Georgia.
So as I understand you the grit you feel is two parts rubbing together ?

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

The FN FNS and compact FNS use the hinged style trigger too.

 

[brianc401]

I like my stock 2.0 9mm trigger . I also have a ppq m2 . Both have different feels but each has it's own merit . Curious about the CZ p10 . Someone let me try their fn 509 which I thought was also good . The newest gen 5 glock is suppose to have a flatter face trigger curious about that one too .

I have the 2.0 and the PPQ m2, too. My ppq is the 5in, though. Love both!

 

[brianc401]

Glock sued S&W in 1994 for patent infringement when the Sigma was introduced. In the end, Smith and Wesson agreed to "remove the surface located below the sear in the Sigma Series Pistols, which Glock contends is a positive guide means, and Glock has agreed that such a modification would resolve the patent infringement claim."

While no one in an official position is willing to say how much S&W will pay Glock, informed sources put the figure at between $5 and $8 million. It is possible that S&W agreed to never change the trigger after Glock's patent expired.

Very interesting and that would make a lot of sense... meaning it's possible S&W agreed not to change the trigger....at least for many years.

 

[gc70]

Please describe ' gritty ' feel ?

A trigger may feel 'gritty' for many reasons, but a common reason for an M&P is if the part of the trigger bar that raises the striker block is rough. See the angle the arrow points to in the photo below. That angle is what raises the striker block as the trigger bar moves backwards. If that surface is rough, the trigger will move unevenly, as though it were moving over grit.

That angle on my second M&P's trigger bar was really rough; under a magnifying glass, it looked like the cross-ties on a railroad. Apex has made a ton of money selling striker blocks that are more rounded and lack sharp edges to catch on any roughness on the trigger bar.

 

[CBStuard]

A trigger may feel 'gritty' for many reasons, but a common reason for an M&P is if the part of the trigger bar that raises the striker block is rough. See the angle the arrow points to in the photo below. That angle is what raises the striker block as the trigger bar moves backwards. If that surface is rough, the trigger will move unevenly, as though it were moving over grit.

That angle on my second M&P's trigger bar was really rough; under a magnifying glass, it looked like the cross-ties on a railroad. Apex has made a ton of money selling striker blocks that are more rounded and lack sharp edges to catch on any roughness on the trigger bar.

Also some have found that the bore the striker block rides in can be rough.