M&P.... whats up with the trigger???

[cfr]

Greetings, noob here. So I've had a Glock 22 for a while now that I've never been all that excited about. For a couple months I kicked around the idea of selling it to get a new Beretta 96A1. In the end, it's just bigger/ heavier than what I'm looking for. Then someone mentioned the M&P. Hmm.... Purdy cool. Read lots of great reviews. Went and fondled one today... it felt GREAT!!! Like everything about it, except the trigger. The reset didn't really reset so I could pull the trigger again. I actually had to release the trigger past the reset point to pull the trigger again. Not a whole lot, but some.

I realized something I do like about the Glock is the very distinct reset point.

Is this normal on this gun? Is it easy enough to overcome with some use? It just seemed odd, and not what I was expecting.

 

[Reggie Dunlop]

I think you should stick with your Glock.

 

[remat457]

Shoot it and see if you like it. I own and shoot both M&P's and Glocks. IMO, the reset "issue" is more from handling it than actually from using it. I prefer the M&P's trigger, but it is different and you may not like it or want to get used to it.

There is also the option of getting APEX parts upgrade.

 

[Dragon88]

What don't you like about the Glock 22?

 

[mlk18]

Trigger reset is one of those gun forum things where it gets hyped way out of proportion and is not essential to good shooting or fast shooting. That being said Glock trained shooters (and Glockaphiles) think it is. But it's really a matter of mechanics over proper training. You can install an Apex kit to make the trigger smooth and light with a reset that makes the Glock feel like a Sig DAK trigger. You can also install an Apex ram to get that loud audible click. Or, and this is my recommendation, you can spend a little time with the gun, learn it's manual of arms and shoot it like a pro.

As far as your not being all that excited about the Glock 22, I hear you and then some. Like a buddy of mine once said "the Glock may be a good reliable gun, but it has no soul". Rent an M&P and shoot it, then all of your concerns will just fade away.

 

[cfr]

I think you should stick with your Glock.

I still might, but I'm curious as to why you would suggest this?

 

[cfr]

What don't you like about the Glock 22?

The grip is the biggest thing. Not a lot I can do about that. I would assume it's this that makes the M&P point much more naturally to me?

Being a lefty, an ambi slide release is pretty cool.

The M&P seems slimmer and more compact. Not sure if this is just my imagination or not though.

I do not have the luxury of having both guns, or it would be a no brainer.

 

[pedropcola]

I hear you on the mp vs glock thing. I have both and love both. I also agree with mlk about the "no soul" thing, pretty funny. I have never tried the Apex kit but supposedly it makes the reset much more noticeable. I prefer a distinct reset also. My training definitely did not discount the reset. It was pushed and reinforced so I do prefer the distinct reset of HK, Glock, earlier Smiths over the somewhat vague point on the MP. Not only does it speed up my requal times but I believe it improves my trigger control (less excess movement, less error). Not a deal breaker but I understand the concern. If it is a deal breaker, talk to the Apex Tactical guys they will get you sorted out.

 

[SMSgt]

By far, the single biggest issue/complaint with the M&P line is the trigger, which does improve some (slowly) with use. Not too many handguns have as distinct reset as a Glock. While I like the reset of my G30, I place more value on a trigger being "smooth and crisp."

The standard response is to "buy Apex," but I don't care for buying a new firearm knowing going in that I need to "upgrade" the trigger. S&W could have done a better job with the trigger, but they didn't.

The grip of the M&P feels "slightly" better than a Glock (to me), but the 4th Gen Glocks are much improved in that catagory.

As far as the "no soul" goes, I haven't picked up any poly gun that felt like it had one, regardless of the name stamped on it. They all feel like toys, but that's the price paid for being light and waterpistol-like.

 

[turbo38gn]

By far, the single biggest issue/complaint with the M&P line is the trigger, which does improve some (slowly) with use. Not too many handguns have as distinct reset as a Glock. While I like the reset of my G30, I place more value on a trigger being "smooth and crisp."

The standard response is to "buy Apex," but I don't care for buying a new firearm knowing going in that I need to "upgrade" the trigger. S&W could have done a better job with the trigger, but they didn't.

The grip of the M&P feels "slightly" better than a Glock (to me), but the 4th Gen Glocks are much improved in that catagory.

As far as the "no soul" goes, I haven't picked up any poly gun that felt like it had one, regardless of the name stamped on it. They all feel like toys, but that's the price paid for being light and waterpistol-like.

Which M&P's do you own... ?

 

[Kanewpadle]

Which M&P's do you own... ?

Probably doesn't own any.

How many Glock guys replace their stock trigger? Look at all the aftermarket spring and trigger kits for the Glock!

As the other poster said, reset is overrated and all hype. Most people never notice it when shooting.

S&W should have done better on the M&P trigger. But with a few simple drop in parts, you have a gun that performs every bit as well or better than a Glock. And you have a gun that feels better in the hand with the proper grip angle.

Glock is NOT perfection and neither is the M&P.

To the original poster, shoot an M&P and see for yourself. All else is opinion and speculation.

Oh, and I own four of them!!

 

[Reggie Dunlop]

Both weapons are made for self defense. I just can not understand all the discussion and thought about the triggers. In practice drills and in a real life situation you will never notice the difference. If you want a trigger for target shooting that is fine, but don't compare it to a defensive weapon. I had a G27 until I handled a M&P compact. Then there was no question which one was better for concealed carry. The Glock went bye bye. The Smith comes to hand much quicker with a far better and more controllable grip. To me getting the weapon on target in every scenario is the most important factor.

 

[sgtvilla]

Trigger reset is one of those gun forum things where it gets hyped way out of proportion and is not essential to good shooting or fast shooting. That being said Glock trained shooters (and Glockaphiles) think it is. But it's really a matter of mechanics over proper training. You can install an Apex kit to make the trigger smooth and light with a reset that makes the Glock feel like a Sig DAK trigger. You can also install an Apex ram to get that loud audible click. Or, and this is my recommendation, you can spend a little time with the gun, learn it's manual of arms and shoot it like a pro.

As far as your not being all that excited about the Glock 22, I hear you and then some. Like a buddy of mine once said "the Glock may be a good reliable gun, but it has no soul". Rent an M&P and shoot it, then all of your concerns will just fade away.

I agree with that statement about glocks. Great guns and very reliable but well..... no passion. My opinion only of course.

As far as the trigger issue goes... well, its a matter of training with it and getting used to it. When I first got my M&P I also felt the trigger felt a little "different" from what I was used to. After training with it for a while, I am used to the way it feels and I can shoot it pretty well. It worked for me. There is a change it "wont" work for you and thats fine too... different people feel comfortable with different things.

In my opinion, its easier to get used to a different trigger feel on a good gun, that to limit yourself to the few guns on the market that may have the same "feel". As someone mentiones, there are always trigger jobs you can have done to adapt the gun to your personal needs.

 

[Old_Salt]

I love the M&P but I really dislike the trigger, (is that possible!?) so I purchased and installed the DCAEK and Ram kit from Apex and it has really made a BIG difference for me. I had put over 450 rounds through it and did not see any improvement so decided to go with the Apex fix, and I took it to the range today and sent another 200 rounds down range and it was like I was shooting an entirely different gun. Really, really like the trigger and hard audible reset. The reset and shorter pull only matter if it is what you key off of when shooting IMHO. I was able to consistently place better groups since the action was so much more predicable. The big problem I had was the feel of my trigger dragging acrossed the striker block, a terrible feeling, the Apex version is rounded where the OEM original is simply beveled giving two distinct corners the trigger bar has to slide over.

 

[DanWales]

Trigger

Just got my M&P .45C today. I haven't fired a round with it yet.

For sure it's going to take some time to get used to the trigger.

The pistol sure does feel good in the hand.

Lemme get a couple hundred rounds through it and see if I can't get used to this trigger.

I honestly feel with this pistol I got my money's worth and it's going to be a great defensive pistol.

I had thought about getting a 9C after I shot my friends, but I reload for .38 and .45 and didn't want to throw a third caliber in the mix, just too old and lazy. LOL

Happy New Year everybody.

Dan

 

[johnmed3]

I' have the M&P .357 sig. It shoots beautifully, and very accurate. I' had no trouble with the trigger and im used to the single action trigger of a colt .45 govm't model 1911!

I have shoot the glock, great gun, but it's just not for me. Like somebody obove said it has no "soul".

 

[elrodcod]

I own M&Ps and Glocks and prefer the crisp reset of the Glock trigger. Sure, you can learn aby trigger system but that doesn't change personal preferences. Shooting from the reset with a Glock is more like shooting a single action. I put the Apex Duty kit in one of the M&Ps & while it helped eliminate the "false reset" it didn't do much to make it more positive. Apex has since came up with an add on that will make for a more audible positive reset but it won't work in manual safety M&Ps. While I might keep the M&Ps that I have I won't be using any of my resources trying to improve them. I'll expand my Glock line up instead.

 

[rEVOLVED]

I love what is being said about Glocks having no soul. I have never heard more perfect words to describe my feelings on them. I love Glocks. They are very reliable, fairly easy to shoot, available in every size and caliber, etc etc... But if I'm going to spend $500 on a new pistol, I want it to be something sexy and exciting... Enter the M&P9c. I haven't had any problems with the trigger. I am not a fast enough shooter for a trigger to slow me down. The most I do rapid fire is with double taps, and the 9mm M&P makes them a breeze.

The M&P is essentially and ergonomic Glock. After shooting it enough, Glocks and XDs feel like they are built from LEGOS. Everything is so square and blocky and just bleh.

 

[sgtvilla]

The M&P is essentially and ergonomic Glock. After shooting it enough, Glocks and XDs feel like they are built from LEGOS. Everything is so square and blocky and just bleh.

heheheh! yep!

 

[sheepdawg]

Any of you all have a comment about the trigger on the MP Pro Series?