M&P9C or Glock 19?

[snubbyfan]

I have neither but I've tried both. The G19's grip angle seemed awkward to me. Punching it out with a 2 hand hold had the muzzle pointed up slightly. I'd have to break my wrist over to get it to point correctly.
The M&P9c pointed the way I wanted it to.
I'm still gathering pennies to make an M&P9c my first plastic fantastic.

 

[Bowserb]

I'm not a Glock fanboy, but I can tell you that the initial pointing issue goes away pretty quickly. Just like you, when I was experienced with others, the Glock initially pointed high, and I had to force it down. By the end of my first session (200 rounds maybe), I had made the adjustment. But why should you have to adjust? Good question, since it seems like there are two grip angles--Glock and everyone else.

I carried that G19 for about four years and then sold it to a friend, when I went to a two-caliber system--45 and 223--to better manage my ammo inventory. Three years later, as luck would have it, I won a G19 in a contest I didn't know I had entered. My wife wanted it but not without a safety and night sights. Since my purchase price was right, I decided I could afford to get a Cominolli safety and Truglo TFX sights (combination tritium and fiber optics) installed. My wife had been a 1911 shooter but had no problem adapting to the Glock grip angle.

So now that I'm in 3 calibers again, I'm looking to get a 9mm Shield, for a nice small gun when that's all I can carry. I'll get it with a safety and also get night sights (and possibly the version with the green laser), so it will be all set for my wife to take it away from me. And then I'll get something else.

 

[jack the toad]

If I didn't carry a Glock, the M&P is what I'd use.

 

[DepOne]

A better idea

Of the two, I would go with the M&P any day. The Glock is not a bad gun but it feels like a two by four in your hand. However, given my preference, I would go with the Springfield XD over either of your choices. Better ergonomics, better trigger, more safety devices and no real downside.

 

[GaryV2]

I used a G19 for my CCP live fire training, but have a 9m Shield as my daily carry and would not feel comfortable without the manual safety not found on the Glock's

 

[Bowserb]

Of the two, I would go with the M&P any day. The Glock is not a bad gun but it feels like a two by four in your hand. However, given my preference, I would go with the Springfield XD over either of your choices. Better ergonomics, better trigger, more safety devices and no real downside.

Your description of the Glock sounds like the .45acp G21. Big grip, slide that looks like it could be a bridge support, but it's got an amazingly light recoil spring. The G19 grip is not so bad, yet it is long enough for 3 fingers. I have the XDM-45 4.5", and it is very good for a big gun. Much stiffer recoil spring than the G21, presumably designed with +P ammo in mind? The grip safety is similar to that on a 1911 and a reasonable alternative to no-safety as on the Glock. It also has a more prominent loaded chamber indicator and cocked striker you can see and feel at the rear of the slide. I think the trigger feels better than the Glock, too.

If a safety is important, then of the two the OP is thinking about, the 9C is a better value. I still wonder where those low prices came from, though. They almost sound like LE pricing.

 

[RobzGuns]

I used a G19 for my CCP live fire training, but have a 9m Shield as my daily carry and would not feel comfortable without the manual safety not found on the Glock's

Next CCP live fire training you do, use the Shield. It's an all-day-shooter. Except for needing to do more mag swaps, I can easily do a full intensive (500 round) class with the Shield.

 

[guns_gold_cash]

I have read many of the replies and no one touched on this so I will toss it out for anyone that may be interested. I had also narrowed my carry pistol to the G19 or a M&P. The deciding factor for me was because I had planned on adding a Crimson Trace Laser which on the M&P becomes part of the grip (takes place of the removable back strap), where as on a G19 it fattened-up the grip and changed the firearm all together (see Crimson Trace website for a better view/understanding)

 

[kg4toi]

As a mechanic I developed carpel tunnel in both wrists and was having problems with (ouch) my EDC G23 so I traded off for an SR40C and imagined that I was all set. Then I picked up an M&P9C and it felt just right in the store and then at the range. I sold the Ruger and haven't looked back. The M&P was obviously superior ergonomically.True, the trigger took getting used to but my hand is shaped right for the M&P (or vise-versa). 9MM helped with the wrists but not as much as retiring! Time spent at a rental range is the way to go if there's one in your area. The Shield's round count is a compromise to get a thin and light EDC. Shoot them all at the rental place (or carry a 1911 if you want 7/8 Big rounds but don't forget suspenders to hold up your pants!)

 

[mdad85]

M&p. vs glock19

I have M&P 40 and gen 4 Glock , love them both, 40 has snappy recoil, 9 not so much, like someone else said you need to handle and shoot both then decide. Me, I like the 40 m&pc

 

[Dano]

I have been debating on my next purchase for a little while now so I thought I would see everyone's opinions. The mp9c would be $400 with night sights and the glock would be $420. Both will be purchased new. Which would you buy and why? Thank!

I own both and really like them both but the G19 is in my BOB and I carry the M&P 9c. It just fits my hand better and is easier for me to carry concealed. Forgot to mention I have 2 Gock 19's, a Gen 2 that's in my
BOB and a Gen 4 that is my wife's bedside gun equipped with CT Laser Grip, Streamlight TRL-3 and
True Glo Tritium Fiber Optic sights. I only have the one M&P 9c but I'm in the market for a FDE one.
Dano

 

[TopdogTx]

S&W 9c

I've never been a fan of Glock...not comfortable in my hand so I'm prejudiced in my choice.
I've owned an M&P9c for a couple of years and of all my 9s this is my favorite. I installed the Apex trigger kit and the package is perfect in my opinion.

Considering the comments here you will probably be happy with either one.

 

[billhman]

First of all I'd like to say that I don't own a Glock. However, I've heard that the Glock (esp the 9mm) are more subject to limp wrist failures than M&Ps. Has anyone noticed that?

 

[paladin**]

I have the M&P 9c and mine holds 12, which is why I picked it over he shield. Also I have small hands and the adjustable backstrap makes it easy to adjust to fit the hand. As for the smaller grip, you can get longer mags (standards will fit) with an extension. Of course your also buying American Made. Finally try before you buy, ndget what you feel fits your needs best.

 

[GtownGeorge]

I have a M&P 9mm full size for home and a Glock 26 for carry. When buying a FS the M&P felt better in my hand and I shot it better than a G17. When I was looking for something to carry it was between a Shield and a G26. Ended up with the G26 for the same reasons as above.

So.... see if you can try both and go with the one that fits best.

 

[bnoonan]

The 9c holds 12 +1, not 10+1 as someone else stated. It also has an option for a thumb safety if that is important. The main difference is the angle of the grips. To me the 9c points more naturally. With the x-grip adapter, the 9c can carry 17 rounds in the mag. It is my choice.

 

[Bkreutz]

The 9c holds 12 +1, not 10+1 as someone else stated.

There is actually a 10+1 version for certain states (not ours )
Just like there is a 10+1 version of the full size. (even worse )

 

[bronconagurski]

I prefer to G19 and carry one daily. For me its the perfect size between the grip, over all length, and capacity. Didn't like the short grips of the MP9c

You could get the full size mag and x grip. It's the smaller grip that I like about the MP9C, as it carries better.

 

[LiftNw8]

I own 2 M&Ps, the 9C and the full size, I have replaced the trigger in the 9C with the Apex trigger, and as far as how I like it I love it, intend it to be my EDC once I get my CCW. I also have a G19 Gen4 and I love that too, both of them I have put roughly a thousand rounds through, and the only malfunctions were from bad casings causing a failure to feed on the 9C, and that was just recently so it wasn't the handgun at all. With the 9C you get 12+1 and have the option to use the 17+1 mags as well. In the end try them both out at the range if possible and see which one fits you the best.

 

[Arik]

You could get the full size mag and x grip. It's the smaller grip that I like about the MP9C, as it carries better.

Then it defeats the point of concealed, having a full size grip. At that point I may as well buy the FS. The M&Pc is just too short and feels front heavy.

 

[Shielder]

Are you considering buying...

A pistol without a manual safety?

If so, why?

As I read about the many accidental shootings involving these pistols, it makes me think they should not be considered for purchase.

If you look at the incidents where individuals have "inadvertent" discharges where no one is injured, shoot themselves accidentally, shoot others accidentally, and have children as young as three years old shoot others or themselves with pistols that do not have a manual safety, you get the picture.

Of course, gun owners who like the non-safety guns will have their arguments, but the only "safety" built into these guns is the "pre-trigger" feature which simply means you have more trigger to pull before the gun discharges! And history shows that this feature does not prevent the trigger being pulled by accident or by a person who otherwise might not know how to or be able to disengage a manual safety (say the 3-year-old toddler who recently shot himself in the head).

As to the relative "quickness" of employing a pistol that does not have a manual safety, consider that training and habituation allows a shooter to adapt to having a positive manual safety as part of the operating procedure for their pistol.

This ran on longer than I expected...but I hope some will consider this and that maybe it will benefit somewhere down the road.

 

[Bowserb]

Shielder, I'm with you. Most ND's happen on reholstering, and they happen to professionals. Even for the most diligent, outside forces can cause a problem for you. I carried a G19 for four years, and I was hyper-sensitive to the risk. I moved on to the SA XD/XDM line with its grip safety--an excellent alternative to a manual safety.

I've been lectured by the no-safety crowd many times. I just don't agree that their arguments are the whole story. Whatever you have, you train with, and then it's part of the process, not an impediment. And after all that, I carry a gun with no manual safety--a Sig P227, which is a DA/SA handgun with a long 10.4lb DA trigger pull...a kind of quasi safety, but I'd like a real manual safety.

S&W and Ruger both make guns that can be safe. S&W even gives you a choice, with only a nominal difference in the cost for a thumb safety. It's why I'm looking at a Shield now. Glock has made guns with safeties for some military and police contracts. I don't understand why they refuse to offer them to the public.

 

[Bowserb]

First of all I'd like to say that I don't own a Glock. However, I've heard that the Glock (esp the 9mm) are more subject to limp wrist failures than M&Ps. Has anyone noticed that?

I haven't noticed that, but then I don't have those problems! I suspect it is the users. Glock has great name recognition that people who are new to guns are apt to seek out. A lot of those people get little or no instruction, and limp wristing is common among untrained shooters.

 

[ginelmore]

I carry a M&Pc357sig but I just pick up a M&P9c NIB for $325.00 go with the M&P

 

[Fred_G]

All guns 'should' have a built in safety. Between the gun owner's ears. Saying you should have a manual safety so a 3 year old is 'safer' is baffling to me.

I normally carry a 1911, so plenty of 'safeties' on those. But I don't see removing the safety off my 9C makes it any 'less safe'.

If you like your manual safety, keep it. If you don't... Agree training is important, and keeping a loaded gun in a good holster is a big help.

 

[deeker]

M&P9 vs Glock and PPQ

As most are saying it comes down to the triggers, not that the M&P stock trigger is bad. But it's not a target or range trigger, its a CCW or police use trigger. You can get the Apex trigger for something over $100 when I checked, but consider it's potential effect on your CCW purpose. It may be too light for safe CCW purposes? Everyone will agree you can shoot tighter groups with a Glock vs "stock" M&P. I will add, I have the M&P Shield 9mm too and it shoots tighter groups then the M&P 9s I own. I decided not to modify triggers though and bought the new Warther PPQ, which everyone "raves" about it's out of box trigger. It is sweet, but I'm not sure I would use it for CCW either. To clarify accuracy (due to triggers) I can shoot under 2 inch groups with PPQ with minimal effort at 25 ft, but really struggle with the M&P to get 4" groups at same distance. You're still going to easily hit man sized targets with any of these out of the box, but why do you want the gun? Target/range or CCW? They all feel and look great I think!

 

[getoff]

Glock 19 for me. just my personal choice. i just can't seem to warm to any of the M&P semis. the revos however, are another story. Glocs do nothing for me as far as looks, or feel. as far as reliability? never questioned either. just prefer the G-locks...

 

[amcline82]

Between those 2 G19. The real question is where you finding a G19 for $420 new. Unless it's a gen3?

 

[ric-a-pic]

Glocks are an awesome gun but the angle of the grip doesn't work for me and the S&W M&P lines fits perfect. As many people mentioned, at least go hold both. I didn't need to shoot it first before buying. The Glock just doesn't fit me.

 

[marine6680]

Has the OP even popped back in?


In order to answer his question, I would first have one of my own.

Do you have any prior experience or ownership of Glock or M&Ps?


If you have owned a Glock, but not an M&P, then get the g19.

If you have owned an M&P but not a Glock, get the M&P.


The reason... If you still have the other Pistol, mags can be swapped. Full size mags fit in the smaller pistols.


If concealability is a concern, the M&Pc is smaller in the grip, closed to the g26, and with the pinky extension mag, offers a full grip while still being shorter than the g19.

The g19 offers a full grip.


The Apex trigger for the M&P is superb.

The Glock trigger is a bit better out of the box, an at home trigger job helps a little, replacing parts is cheap. Aftermarket triggers are abundant and cost as much or more than an Apex for the M&P.


If you have no experience with either... Then get the one that feels and points the best for you.