M1/m14
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onebadscrambler
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I am not so old, but I have one in the safe. Don't know that I prefer it to an EBR. I have yet to fire it. Let it cool off a little and I will get back to you.
WaterburyBob
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I guess I'm in that club. I have an LRB M14 that I much prefer over my Colt AR.
BOB THE PALINDROME
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Me!
Gutpile Charlie
US Veteran
I prefer the M1 over the "black rifles"
I don't consider myself an OLD F***** at 47. But I do have an affection for the WW2/Korea main battle rifles. For the U.S. Rifle, Caliber 30, M1, my personal favorite is my pre-war Springfield I am having restored to a gas trap model. It only took me eleven years to find an original barrel that was not a piece of junk. For all around just fun shooting it's my Winchester. For pin point on target shooting my IHC tractor model with it's original LMR barrel out shoots my H & R, but not by much. For the M14 substitute I have a Springfield Loaded version and a PolyTech M14/S. The only thing I have done to the PolyTech is change the springs, extractor, sights and the whole trigger assembly to a TRW trigger assembly that has had "some" work done to it. The $450.00 PolyTech out shoots the $1500.00 Springfield even on a really bad day.
Sidebar: The last day of deer season at our farm is designated "Classic Day". Firearm must be U.S. Military, Nothing manufactured post Korea era is allowed. I took a nice 7 point last year with the IHC and 150 gr hand loads.
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Sidebar: The last day of deer season at our farm is designated "Classic Day". Firearm must be U.S. Military, Nothing manufactured post Korea era is allowed. I took a nice 7 point last year with the IHC and 150 gr hand loads.
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straightshooter1
US Veteran
I came home from Viet Nam with a prejudice against the AR-style rifles. They were not, IME, nearly as accurate at the M-14.
I did see Marines with the little Colt scope, sitting on the bank of the River and getting hits across it at Hue during Tet, but I attributed it to the scope. It was the first time I'd ever seen a scope on an M-16.
I had trained with the M-14 and the M-16 came later. Little or no training given.
It just wasn't very accurate.
Of course, I recall that young Marine breaking the metal band on the C-Rats during Tet with the prongs of the flash hider-Gee, could that have been a cause of the inaccuracy? Later, we learned that such things bent the barrel! Imagine that!
I'm told that was one of the reasons they modified the M-16 to have the bird-cage flash hider.
So, when the rifle bug hit, I bought the finest of Match ready M-1s or M-1As or had them built.
They were all superbly accurate, would shoot an inch or perhaps just a little less at a 100 yards all day long. Unless it rained or was real humid. Then they became less accurate.
Finally, I bought a Colt Match H-Bar. This was early on, when they first came out. Sent it to Frank White who "accurized" it.
Wow! What a difference!
Since then I have had several that would shoot a half inch or less at a 100 yards and didn't care if it was wet, humid, cold or just right.
I still like the old M-1 and M-1A. But, if I was wanting something to shoot and get hits every time (why else would I have it), I'd get a RRA or something similar.
Bob
I did see Marines with the little Colt scope, sitting on the bank of the River and getting hits across it at Hue during Tet, but I attributed it to the scope. It was the first time I'd ever seen a scope on an M-16.
I had trained with the M-14 and the M-16 came later. Little or no training given.
It just wasn't very accurate.
Of course, I recall that young Marine breaking the metal band on the C-Rats during Tet with the prongs of the flash hider-Gee, could that have been a cause of the inaccuracy? Later, we learned that such things bent the barrel! Imagine that!
I'm told that was one of the reasons they modified the M-16 to have the bird-cage flash hider.
So, when the rifle bug hit, I bought the finest of Match ready M-1s or M-1As or had them built.
They were all superbly accurate, would shoot an inch or perhaps just a little less at a 100 yards all day long. Unless it rained or was real humid. Then they became less accurate.
Finally, I bought a Colt Match H-Bar. This was early on, when they first came out. Sent it to Frank White who "accurized" it.
Wow! What a difference!
Since then I have had several that would shoot a half inch or less at a 100 yards and didn't care if it was wet, humid, cold or just right.
I still like the old M-1 and M-1A. But, if I was wanting something to shoot and get hits every time (why else would I have it), I'd get a RRA or something similar.
Bob
dennis40x
US Veteran
My vote is for the M14
My vote is for the M14. In the Marine Corps employed all three rifles the M1 – M14 & M16. While at Gitmo instructed sailors in the use of the M1 rifle that were converted to 7.62mm NATO.
My vote is for the M14. In the Marine Corps employed all three rifles the M1 – M14 & M16. While at Gitmo instructed sailors in the use of the M1 rifle that were converted to 7.62mm NATO.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
Dennis, those darned things were great in Viet Nam, weren't they? Heavy and the ammo weighed a ton, but they always worked.
I liked the Marine pouches and always added two to my belt in addition to my double pouches. You could spread out the load with yours much better. If those above me (who had no sense of humor) would have let me, I'd have left the ones we had behind and used nothing but the Marine pouches.
OTOH, when we got the M-16s, we could carry a lot more ammo with less weight.
Bob
I liked the Marine pouches and always added two to my belt in addition to my double pouches. You could spread out the load with yours much better. If those above me (who had no sense of humor) would have let me, I'd have left the ones we had behind and used nothing but the Marine pouches.
OTOH, when we got the M-16s, we could carry a lot more ammo with less weight.
Bob
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I used an M14 in Nam - used same ammo as the M60 on my boat which made things easier - once in while used M16 but loved my M14!!!!!!
jag312
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I have liked the M14 ever since I first fired one. In the full auto mode, I couldn't effectively control it, but as a semiauto, it was perfect.
I have noticed a difference between an M14 rifle and an M1A rifle. The M14 action was as smooth as glass. The M1A felt gritty.
I have noticed a difference between an M14 rifle and an M1A rifle. The M14 action was as smooth as glass. The M1A felt gritty.
m1gunner
US Veteran
I prefer the Garand, hands down. The weight, fit and ergonomics make it an execellent and natural pointing weapon. You don't have to muscle it to hold a proper sight picture, it just appears naturally.
I have shot ar15s and M16s, and the accuracy with me pulling the trigger is OK. On the same day, I can fire a Garand right after (or before) the AR and my group with the M1 is 1/2 the size as the black rifle.
As far as killing or destroying something, the 30-06 is heads and shoulders above the 223. Even the Army FM suggests multiple shots with the M16 to neutralize an agressor, no such warning needed for the M1 or M14.
The enbloc clip is fast on the reload, and very easy to carry extras in a pocket.
The Garand I use most often was lent to Denmark during WWII, and was returned to the US Army sometime after 2001. I bought it from CMP when it was surplused out.
It was a "Naked Dane", and had obviously been handled a lot as there was no original finish remaining. But it had been well cared for in that the bore was bright and shiney, and the muzzle and throat still gaged OK for overseas deployment as per the M1 inspection criteria.
Naked also ment no wood.
I wanted a hunting garand, and this was why this one came home with me. A Boyd WWII profile stock and a Moly Resin finish on the metal made it just right for hunting environments. A Scout scope mount and a Red Dot scope finished it off.
It is a deer rifle extrordinare now, great in low light in the deep woods.
For long range accuracy, the original issue sights are hard to beat, but between old eyes and low light hunting in the woods, I prefer the red dot.
I have shot ar15s and M16s, and the accuracy with me pulling the trigger is OK. On the same day, I can fire a Garand right after (or before) the AR and my group with the M1 is 1/2 the size as the black rifle.
As far as killing or destroying something, the 30-06 is heads and shoulders above the 223. Even the Army FM suggests multiple shots with the M16 to neutralize an agressor, no such warning needed for the M1 or M14.
The enbloc clip is fast on the reload, and very easy to carry extras in a pocket.
The Garand I use most often was lent to Denmark during WWII, and was returned to the US Army sometime after 2001. I bought it from CMP when it was surplused out.
It was a "Naked Dane", and had obviously been handled a lot as there was no original finish remaining. But it had been well cared for in that the bore was bright and shiney, and the muzzle and throat still gaged OK for overseas deployment as per the M1 inspection criteria.
Naked also ment no wood.
I wanted a hunting garand, and this was why this one came home with me. A Boyd WWII profile stock and a Moly Resin finish on the metal made it just right for hunting environments. A Scout scope mount and a Red Dot scope finished it off.
It is a deer rifle extrordinare now, great in low light in the deep woods.
For long range accuracy, the original issue sights are hard to beat, but between old eyes and low light hunting in the woods, I prefer the red dot.
Vulcan Bob
Member
I own the EBR's but if it gets nasty one of my Garands will be the weapon of choice. I only have two Garands left, one a S.A. Man. in 1940 restored to correct in .30 M2 and a Navy trophy Garand in 7.62 NATO with the H&R barrel (no insert). Both are good shooter's. With a ten pocket and a couple of bandoleers full of AP, I think I am well armed!
Mickey D
Member
My M1A is a black rifle. SAI Socom 16.
m1gunner
US Veteran
My vote.
Isn't that an M16 BFA?
dennis40x
US Veteran
Bob, our 782 gear (Web Gear) sucked especially the belt suspender straps which were designed to be used with the haversack. We did lust after some of the Amy’s web gear especially the padded belt suspender straps. After I was in country (6) magazine pouches were on my belt. A 7th pouch was slightly modified and carried on the stock (M1 Carbine style) so in total I had (8) magazines. Believe I also struggled with some bandoleers. I had this dread of running out of ammunition.
Faulkner
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I never have really found the love for a poodle shooter, but I thoroughly enjoy my M1's.
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