M52: cartridges are not ejected

[Heinz Heisters]

Hello,
I actually purchased a model 52-2 (it shoots phantastic - but) I am having a problem with the cartridge cases not ejecting. Can anyone tell me how to solve this? Do I do it myself or go to a gunsmith? Thanks so much for any help!
I bought the gun in Vienna for 800 euros, and the first 10 test shots at the dealer were OK. However, the next day at the shooting range, I discovered that out of every five shots, two or three weren't ejected and were jamming.

 

[Rule3]

This should be under gunsmithing but.....

What exact ammo are you using? They are very picky
Have you cleaned the gun??

First thing I did with mine after cleaning was replace the recoil spring, mag spring, mainspring.
Then if that doesn't help. replace the extractor.

I do not now what parts are available to you or how familiar with guns.

 

[s&wchad]

What exact ammo are you using? They are very picky
Have you cleaned the gun??

I agree, I'd start with a good clean and lube of the slide rails. If that doesn't solve the issue, your loads may be a little too light. They were made to work with flush mount mid-range wadcutters.

 

[Heinz Heisters]

Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately, I'm not familiar with gun repairs... I shot with Sellier & Bellot. I could also try Geco, but I don't think it's the ammunition. As for spare parts, the seller assured me they're either unavailable or very difficult to find.

 

[Heinz Heisters]

I agree, I'd start with a good clean and lube of the slide rails. If that doesn't solve the issue, your loads may be a little too light. They were made to work with flush mount mid-range wadcutters.

Thanks for reply - I HAVE cleaned and lubet. I think I will ask my gunsmith

 

[Heinz Heisters]

This should be under gunsmithing but.....

What exact ammo are you using? They are very picky
Have you cleaned the gun??

First thing I did with mine after cleaning was replace the recoil spring, mag spring, mainspring.
Then if that doesn't help. replace the extractor.

I do not now what parts are available to you or how familiar with guns.

Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately, I'm not familiar with gun repairs... I shot with Sellier & Bellot. I could also try Geco, but I don't think that the ammunition is the problem. As for spare parts, the seller assured me they're either unavailable or very difficult to find.

 

[Rule3]

But which SB ammo?? They must be flat wad cutters

I do not know if Wolff Gunsprings can/will ship to you but they have recoil and mag springs. Send them a email.

They are easy to change, many online videos and diagrams.

Thread 'Complete Disassembly & Assembly of ALL S&W Model 52s'

Jul 30, 2017

Disassembly and Assembly Of The Smith & Wesson Model 52 - These Instructions Cover all versions of the Model 52

Before proceeding, I strongly suggest that you read the entire instructions first.

Necessary Tools:

Have available the following tools to work with:

- Schematic and Parts List for both the early and later Model 52s (see below)
- Small table vice (optional)
- Small Magnetic Tray to hold small parts (optional)
- Polymer Armorer’s Block (optional)
- Handgun Rear Sight Tool Remover (optional)
- 1/16th, 3/32nd and 1/8th steel punch. Brass punches are useless as they will...

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[Rule3]

I do not know if it is "legal" to ship parts to Austria. Seems silly if not.
Gun parts has an extractor but not sure if the same as yours? Other than that there is not much else.

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[tjpopkin]

My 52-2 prefers Federal 148gr.Match Wadcutters. I hand-load, so that likely is not an option for you....
Wolff Springs are the best, but take the gun apart....very simple (see instructions above), spray with a synthetic lube like CLP and clean until spotless....the 52 is very finicky about ammo ....which is likely your problem..

 

[WR Moore]

OK, if YOU shot it at the dealers, ask them what ammunition they used and get some. If THEY TOLD YOU they shot it and it worked fine, ask them to demonstrate it for you while you watch. And then you try it.

There's a slight difference between extracting and ejecting. Your grip on the gun might not be tight enough. Although the advice about the design being ammunition sensitive might be the case.

 

[Heinz Heisters]

But which SB ammo?? They must be flat wad cutters

I do not know if Wolff Gunsprings can/will ship to you but they have recoil and mag springs. Send them a email.

They are easy to change, many online videos and diagrams.

Thread 'Complete Disassembly & Assembly of ALL S&W Model 52s'

Jul 30, 2017

Disassembly and Assembly Of The Smith & Wesson Model 52 - These Instructions Cover all versions of the Model 52

Before proceeding, I strongly suggest that you read the entire instructions first.

Necessary Tools:

Have available the following tools to work with:

- Schematic and Parts List for both the early and later Model 52s (see below)
- Small table vice (optional)
- Small Magnetic Tray to hold small parts (optional)
- Polymer Armorer’s Block (optional)
- Handgun Rear Sight Tool Remover (optional)
- 1/16th, 3/32nd and 1/8th steel punch. Brass punches are useless as they will...

• kidcom
• Replies: 9
• Forum: Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols

• 

https://www.gunsprings.com/SMITH+&+WESSON/NUMBERED+SERIES/cID1/mID58/dID261#876

Hello,
Thank you very much for the many informative answers, which I would like to answer here in general terms:
I've already been to the gunsmith. He removed all the lead residue that was still in the gun. As for the ammunition: I shot my first batches with Sellier & Bellot. It has an Eo of 218. Tomorrow I'll try Geco, which has a Vo about 30 percent higher at 337. That might work...
However, I also had a second problem. When I bought the gun, there was no barrel bushing wrench included. When I tried to buy the wrench from Brownells Austria, I was told:

... "Just requesting (not issuing) an export license from the U.S. State Department of Commerce for an article to Austria – due to US ITAR, there is no longer an EU license – costs USD 250."

You have to savor that! Greetings to the world's most popular president.
Thank you again! And best regards from Austria. Heinz

 

[Krogen]

You shouldn't need a barrel wrench. Your fingers will do. If a wrench is needed, the bushing is too tight. That could be the cause of your troubles. Tighten the bushing with your fingers until it seems to stop turning - without a lot of force. Then, back off a click to the previous notch.

For what it's worth, in this country ITAR is a reality. It's intended to prevent certain arms or information from being exported from the USA. It is often seen as overreaching, but the prison sentences for transgressions can be severe. In my aerospace work, if we simply talk by phone with a non-US person, it is considered an export. We have to keep notes and be careful of what we say. For that matter a face-to-face communication - in the office - with a non-US person falls under the same regulations. Exports of hardware are carefully scrutinized, even when we have contracts with NATO countries. Unfortunately, ITAR regulations spill over into innocent situations like buying bushing wrenches, but the severe penalties have many people in the US paranoid.

 

[PatriotX]

I’d have to check, but I believe a 21mm socket may fit the bushing.

Only use tool to disassemble once, then use fingers going forward, as per member Krogen.

 

[Heinz Heisters]

You shouldn't need a barrel wrench. Your fingers will do. If a wrench is needed, the bushing is too tight. That could be the cause of your troubles. Tighten the bushing with your fingers until it seems to stop turning - without a lot of force. Then, back off a click to the previous notch.

For what it's worth, in this country ITAR is a reality. It's intended to prevent certain arms or information from being exported from the USA. It is often seen as overreaching, but the prison sentences for transgressions can be severe. In my aerospace work, if we simply talk by phone with a non-US person, it is considered an export. We have to keep notes and be careful of what we say. For that matter a face-to-face communication - in the office - with a non-US person falls under the same regulations. Exports of hardware are carefully scrutinized, even when we have contracts with NATO countries. Unfortunately, ITAR regulations spill over into innocent situations like buying bushing wrenches, but the severe penalties have many people in the US paranoid.

Thank you for your explanation regarding ITAR. It's comprehensible and entirely understandable. For the exports mentioned, there are wholesalers who can handle the business regularly. But I (of course) don't understand the key. I'm a sports shooter, and that explains my need for this key.

I also understand that it makes sense to open or close the bushing with my fingers, but in my case, after cleaning the gun, I wasn't able to close the bushing completely when reassembling it....

Thanks anyway for your interesting comment! Regards, Heinz

 

[Heinz Heisters]

I’d have to check, but I believe a 21mm socket may fit the bushing.

Only use tool to disassemble once, then use fingers going forward, as per member Krogen.

Thanks

 

[Heinz Heisters]

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that out. Then the special key won't be necessary. Regards, Heinz

 

[Rule3]

If I had the parts I would mail them to you (you pay shipping) with a note that says they are for a rare Austria Clock.

 

[Rule3]

Was it this ammo? If so it should be fine

But I still go back to SPRINGS

38 SPL. WAD CUT. – WC 148 GRS SB38B – Sellier & Bellot

www.sellierbellot.us

 

[Heinz Heisters]

If I had the parts I would mail them to you (you pay shipping) with a note that says they are for a rare Austria Clock.

Oh thats nice from you. In the meantime I had a very friendly contact with a suppport man of BROWNELLS AUSTRIA. He promised activities to solve the problem- we will see ----- Yes it was this ammo. Tomorrow I will shoot with Geco with a better Eo than S&B. I hope the best. Best regards Heinz