Mags

Not to say you will slide a mag into your rifle at a bit of an angle but, if you do, a steel mag scrapes the magwell and a polymer mag doesn't.
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Actually, that's exactly what you're saying.

But what is your point? Neither the C-Products magazines I got from CDNN or the aluminum magazines I got from Palmetto State Armory rattle in the magazine well of either of my ARs.

Even if they did, I doubt they would impact reliablity. The GM-built M-16 I carried in basic training was so sloppy that the upper and lower receivers could be bent to nearly a 45 degree angle and the magazine rattled like a drum, yet I never had a failure on the rifle range.
 
New shooter as well, and live in a state where our limit is 15 rounds per magazine. I went with hexmags because they are easily converted back to full capacity by replacing the spring with a full-size, and removing the plastic insert that restricts capacity.
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Okay, so you're admitting you're intentionally violating state law. That makes you a self-confessed criminal. All a zealous prosecutor needs is this post and discovery of the components in your possesion to convict you of a serious crime - a crime that may prohibit you from ever touching a gun again.

This is not joke. It should be cautionary for people who live in states with magazine capacity limits. If you have the components to convert a post-ban magazine to pre-ban capacity, the local prosecutor may allege that mere possesion of these components indicated intent to convert the magazine and thus violate the law. There is plenty of caselaw at both the state and federal level to back up such presumed intent.

Don't violate your state's gun laws.

If you do, have the good sense to not post it on a public forum for everyone to see.
 
hdwhit said:
Okay, so you're admitting you're intentionally violating state law. That makes you a self-confessed criminal. All a zealous prosecutor needs is this post and discovery of the components in your possesion to convict you of a serious crime - a crime that may prohibit you from ever touching a gun again.

This is not joke. It should be cautionary for people who live in states with magazine capacity limits. If you have the components to convert a post-ban magazine to pre-ban capacity, the local prosecutor may allege that mere possesion of these components indicated intent to convert the magazine and thus violate the law. There is plenty of caselaw at both the state and federal level to back up such presumed intent.

Don't violate your state's gun laws.

If you do, have the good sense to not post it on a public forum for everyone to see.
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I do not believe that is what he is saying at all. What he said was that he went with the Hexmag because the Mags are the same size regardless of the capacity. The PMags are different sized for different amount of ammo, which has its benefits just like the Hexmag benefit of being a "catch all". However, the poster was saying that he made the choice because it was easy to convert when traveling to other states. Is it possession of criminal tools...possibly, but I think that it would be a stretch since the sale of conversion kits is not illegal, just the use of the conversion kit. The same thing could be said for cars...there is track legal versus street legal. Track legal is not against the law to own or be in possession of, what is illegal is to use said items on the street. That is like saying that owning a flat head screwdriver is illegal, or those nifty hot/cold bags that you can purchase in the freezer section of your favorite grocery store. You can use a screwdriver to pry open a lock or a door, but if you are not using the item to commit a crime is it illegal to own? The hot/cold bags block the sensors at most department stores (meaning you wont beep as you pass the sensors as you walk out the door) but you can buy them without any hesitation.
 
hdwhit said:
As everyone else - including yourself - has retorted on this site (and others) every time I mention price as a consideration, I will in this case likewise ask you question, what price do you put on your life?

The stainless steel magazines will not rust, corrode or deform under the tension of the spring. They are currently about $14 each from CDNN. CDNN sells PMags for about $10 each. Gander Mountain has PMags for $14 each (no shipping charge, of course, but you do pick up a sales tax). Are you really saying that $4 a magazine is worth betting your life on the "creep" of plastic under constant strain?
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You are foolish to think that the difference in stainless steel C-Mags, PMags or Alum USGI mags will make a difference in a life or death situation. Mags are disposable wear items not lifetime investments.

SS C-mags are good mags. Nothing wrong with them but paying more money for the SS body does not make sense to me because it does not equate to better performance.

Pmags are proven to work. They are proven to last and they are cheaper. I pay about $8 for Gen2s with no covers shipped to my door. I can get USGI D&H mags with Magpul followers for $6.99 shipped. I am not going to get 75% to 100% better performance out of a SS C-mag am I?

I do not believe that the added weight is worth a slight hypothetical uptick in durability. The springs and followers are much more likely to fail me than the body IMHO. This is why I shoot what I shoot and I am willing to bet my life on them. If a mag fails I will hank it out and load another as I have trained myself to do.

Part of my comment was also the fact you are overpaying for C-mags. At $14 CDNN is raping you. You can get the C-mags with the Birdsongs Black T finish for $9.99. At that price if I wants some heavier mags I might consider them.

Your what is your life worth argument is a red herring. Your claims have no foundation in objective fact only hyperbole.
 
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HEXMAG S2 30 rounders inserts, feeds, and removes flawlessly with my M&P15 Sport II. Heard Troy Battle mags ares good, too.
 
arnoob said:
Hexmags work just fine, but I find the polymer they are made from a little 'slicker' than the textured finish of the PMAG. Not a big deal unless they get covered in something slippery, we did a drill where the instructor covered our hands in baby oil (sounds weird but a useful experience) before we ran through all of our usual reload / failure simulation drills, and I was glad I had PMAGs with me instead of Hexmag / USGI.
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Mentally substitute blood for baby oil. Now it really hits home.

I have some black teflon coated 15 rd mags for bench work. No way could I ever manipulate them with bloody hands.

I have both Mission First Tactical and Hex Mags polymer mags. I think the MFT have better "grip"
 
Racer X said:
Mentally substitute blood for baby oil. Now it really hits home.

I have some black teflon coated 15 rd mags for bench work. No way could I ever manipulate them with bloody hands.

I have both Mission First Tactical and Hex Mags polymer mags. I think the MFT have better "grip"
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How do Mission First Tactical Mags with regards to insertion, feeding, and removal per the S&W M&P 15 Sport II? Thank you in advance.
 
You are foolish to think that the difference in stainless steel C-Mags, PMags or Alum USGI mags will make a difference in a life or death situation.
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I disagree.

Plastic deforms under constant stress. Metal does, too; only less so.

I have 30+ year old steel magazines that were loaded with cartridges for that entire timeframe and still feed reliably. The plastic body magazines I have from the same time are now junk.
 
fyefytr wrote:
I do not believe that is what he is saying at all.
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It is literally what he is saying. He said he took pre-ban componentsd and used them to create a magazine that was would be banned under current law. Any prosecutor worth his salt could characterize that as "manufacturing" and thus a violation of the law and admission of a criminal activity.
 
5.56guy wrote:
...trusted by almost everybody.
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Over what time period?

If you're keeping your magazines unloaded and you're waiting for Armageddon sometine in the far future, then, yeah, the PMag may be a viable choice. If you keep your magazines loaded (with the spring and magazine body under tension) then my experience over 30+ years is that plastic body magazines are NOT the way to go and will feed less reliably than steel or aluminum magazines.
 
hdwhit said:
Over what time period?

If you're keeping your magazines unloaded and you're waiting for Armageddon sometine in the far future, then, yeah, the PMag may be a viable choice. If you keep your magazines loaded (with the spring and magazine body under tension) then my experience over 30+ years is that plastic body magazines are NOT the way to go and will feed less reliably than steel or aluminum magazines.
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Hence............... The Lancer L5 AWM. Plastic body.....steel reinforced lips. Never say never. Never say always. Lancer Systems L5 AWM Advanced Warfighter Mag AR-15 223 Remington

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2ChihuahuasDad said:
How do Mission First Tactical Mags with regards to insertion, feeding, and removal per the S&W M&P 15 Sport II? Thank you in advance.
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I do not know. I don't own a Smith AR. I check out this forum as I own 4 S&W pistols, and a 5th that takes S&W mags. The info here is quite good, and overall, applies to any AR. I do shoot a lot of Bullseye pistol competitions.

As for the Mission First mags, they are relatively new. Maybe since 2014. They started with a blank drawing board, and looked at the strengths and weaknesses of the current poly mags, and tried to eliminate all their shortcomings. The only thing I can think that would make them perfect is if they added the steel reinforcement to the feed lips like Lancer does. But, I'm sure there is a GOOD reason they didn't.
 
Thank you. I'm going to try one first in case the feed lips are not the only issue with them fitting into the rifle. If they do work, I'll get more.
 
In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mags without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt, they have a great price on them.
 
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braveally said:
In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mag loads (90 rounds) without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt. I highly recommend ordering from there, especially if you are in Califor nia. You will be very pleasantly surprised.
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If I'm reading your post correctly, you need to take those Hexmags and mod or dispose of them very quickly. 30rd Hexmags have never been legal in California. The only legal ones are the 10/30's.
 
braveally said:
In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mag loads (90 rounds) without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt. I highly recommend ordering from there, especially if you are in Califor nia. You will be very pleasantly surprised.
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I'm not sure f your post was directed at me or not. In case it was. The Mossberg MVP is a bolt rifle designed to use AR15 magazines. While what you say is true concerning a full magazine, bolt open or closed doesn't make a difference. I think it is the material thickness of the polymer vs metal magazine at the feed lips that is the difference. Metal pops right in bolt open or closed. Polymer has to be hit so hard it hurts the hand some. Both snap right in with no problems with the AR.
 
Another vote for Mission First Tactical

I have a mix of Pmags, MFT, and Elite Tactical Systems mags.

They're all good. I use the clear Elite Tactical Systems mags exclusively with .300 Blackout. It just helps to use one type exclusively for .300 Blackout to prevent safety issues if you have or ever intend to venture into .300 Blackout territory.

Of the Pmags and MFT mags it's whatever I can get for the best price really. If I had to choose though the MFT mags shave some weight and bulk without sacrificing any strength and so they are my preferred choice. A few days ago PSA had the MFT mags for $6.99 so I added a few more at that price- a true no-brainer.
 
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WVSig wrote:
I personally do not feel the need to carry the extra weight
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Well, you do have a point there. Among the ones I own, a stainless steel magazine weighs 32 grams (i.e. 1 ounce) more than a PMag.
 
I have both the PMags and HexMags. I prefer the PMag just a hair more but I live in a 15 round magazine state and to purchase a 15 round PMag, you have to find a seller that changes the internal to make it compliant, making the cost rise. It is not unusual at all to pay over$22-$28 for a 15 round PMag. I'll buy the HexMags at $11.99, haven't had a problem with either brand.
 
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