Makarov vs. Springfield Hellcat

JayFramer

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Instead of derailing a thread asking about Walther PPK’s compared to newer offerings, I decided to make this thread comparing another cousin to the Walther (the Makarov) to one of the most modern defensive handguns that is in the same size class as it and the Walther. This is just my opinion and largely for fun so please don’t be too upset with me if your opinion differs.

Here is my pristine German Makarov PM next to a modern defensive handgun, the Springfield Hellcat:

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Both of these guns have a lot going for them and I like them a whole lot. But, as good as the Makarov is, for a fighting handgun in 2020 it comes up short on all levels compared to more modern offerings such as the aforementioned Hellcat.

Both guns are very similar in size. The Makarov is actually a tiny bit thicker in the slide and grip areas, making it an ever so slightly fatter platform. The Hellcat is smaller in length and width dimensions. The Hellcat is also just 17 ounces unloaded while the all-Steel Makarov pushes the scales at 26 ounces, heavier than most modern full-sized striker-fired duty pistols.

Using flush fit magazines the Makarov only holds 8 rounds vs 11 in the Hellcat. The Hellcat is available with a +2 magazine the brings its overall height equal to the Makarov but offers 13+1 rounds. There are no magazine extensions for the Makarov that I am aware of.

Ballistically, the 9x18mm cartridge is marginally more powerful than .380 ACP, producing approx. 230 ft-lbs. There is a lack of good performing hollow point ammunition for this caliber, the best all around being the Hornady Critical Defense load (pictures above).

9x19mm Para even when fired from the short 3” barrels of micro pistols such as the Hellcat still produce more velocity, use heavier bullets, with energies as much as 60% more in the low to mid 300 ft-lbs range. The pictured Federal HST Standard pressure 124 grain load produces 340 ft-lbs out of the Hellcat.

Of course, energy isn’t everything but there are tremendously superior performing bullets (such as the Federal HST) for the 9x19mm that give excellent expansion and penetration characteristics even from micro barrels. The 9x18mm Makarov comes up short with most leadings, it just doesn’t have nearly the same bullet selection or ballistic capabilities.

Ergonomics are subjective but up and down the Springfield has the Makarov best in most respects. Sights are better, grip Texture is superior, trigger is better, the list goes on and on. Both guns are a bit snappy but despite the Makarov being heavier and firing a weaker round, its straight blowback operation actually make it just as snappy as the lighter Hellcat using a recoil operated system. Reliability of both guns is excellent. Both have been torture tested and passed with flying colors and various internet videos on the subject are available. The Hellcat has the primary advantage in being designed to feed hollow points from the get go, the older Makarov can and will occasionally choke on certain hollow point designs.

Years ago I carried a Bulgarian Makarov as my primary CCW gun. Now, we have far better options. Would a Makarov still work? Of course it would. Is it obsolete? No. By definition, it is not. It’s still used all over the world.

But here in America where we have much better options, I’d pick the Springfield Hellcat every single time.

-Jay
 
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I'll take the Makarov.

I've already got the whole utilitarian EDC thing covered, so when it comes to cool, oldschool, all-metal pistols versus that latest polymer wonder 9, the cool, oldschool, all-metal pistol wins. I don't care how many bullets fit into the magazine, how lightweight it is, or any of that jazz.
 
I personally prefer compact, all metal pistols like the CS-9 and 6906 in 9mm or the CS-45 in .45 ACP. Or even an old SIG P-230 on .380. Among others, and I have others. I have only one negative comment about the Makarov:

But here in America where we have much better options,

Especially in ammunition - the reason I don't own a Makarov is so I don't have to add another caliber to the arsenal, especially a European one. Probably not particularly difficult to obtain but, still, I prefer American.

The Makarov is, however, a very cool gun and it IS all metal.

And I do apologize for the fact that I have found the polymer framed Walther CCP to be so outstanding that I have switched to it as a carry gun if I don't carry a revolver. Size, weight, reliability, etc. I wish is was all metal!
 
I've had a Makarov .380; well made pistol that's accurate even with cast bullets at 25 yards. As I recall, it would feed most or all bullet nose designs reliably. And, it looks like a pistol.

I'll bet the Hellcat is a decent gun if you can get past the looks and what appears to be a funky, Glock-type trigger. Can these be safely carried without a holster?
 
I've had a Makarov .380; well made pistol that's accurate even with cast bullets at 25 yards. As I recall, it would feed most or all bullet nose designs reliably. And, it looks like a pistol.

I'll bet the Hellcat is a decent gun if you can get past the looks and what appears to be a funky, Glock-type trigger. Can these be safely carried without a holster?

Most here would agree it’s generally not a good idea to carry any pistol without a holster for several reasons.
 
Can these be safely carried without a holster?

I suppose they "could" be carried without a holster, but they really shouldn't be because of the inherent safety risks involved, not to mention how quickly it could get pocket lint caked up inside which could be detrimental towards reliability.
If you want to pocket carry, then more power to you, but I would recommend getting a pocket holster.
 
My question was regarding the Hellcat, not guns with other trigger types.
 
I won't argue carrying without a holster. That can safely be done depending on the gun.

I was not certain this was a Glock-type trigger in the Hellcat but mentioned that it appeared to be, hence my question on safely carrying such a gun. None of this is argument worthy; it was a simple question.
 
Jay, I really don’t disagree with anything you wrote. But the Makarov does have one distinct “advantage” If you will, over the Springfield. Cool factor. For some, that’s enough.

Your Makarov looks like a really nice one. Thanks.
 
Jay, I really don’t disagree with anything you wrote. But the Makarov does have one distinct “advantage” If you will, over the Springfield. Cool factor. For some, that’s enough.

Your Makarov looks like a really nice one. Thanks.

Thanks! Nostalgia and “cool factor” are a tremendous part of this forum. We wouldn’t have half the threads we have if not for older folks showing off their new vintage revolvers and milsurps.

But at the end of the day, if we’re being pragmatic about it, there are superior tools for self defense in this day and age. I love the old guns just as much as any, but sometimes the new ones are just better for the job at hand.
 
Personally, I disagree with the assertion that smaller, lighter pistols chambered in more powerful cartridges are objectively superior to bigger, heavier pistols chambered in less powerful cartridges.

Case in point, I used to carry a Walther PPK/S, but last Summer I swapped it out for the smaller, lighter Ruger LCP. However, the Ruger is by no means a better pistol, in fact, the argument could be made that it's actually worse because while it's easier to carry in lighter clothing, it's nowhere near as accurate nor shootable as the PPK/S due to the fixed barrel, full grip, better sights, and longer sight radius.

I suspect that the same may ring true of the SA Hellcat and Makarov PM, albeit to a lesser degree.
 
Personally, I disagree with the assertion that smaller, lighter pistols chambered in more powerful cartridges are objectively superior to bigger, heavier pistols chambered in less powerful cartridges.

Case in point, I used to carry a Walther PPK/S, but last Summer I swapped it out for the smaller, lighter Ruger LCP. However, the Ruger is by no means a better pistol, in fact, the argument could be made that it's actually worse because while it's easier to carry in lighter clothing, it's nowhere near as accurate nor shootable as the PPK/S due to the fixed barrel, full grip, better sights, and longer sight radius.

I suspect that the same may ring true of the SA Hellcat and Makarov PM, albeit to a lesser degree.

I have not found this to be true with my examples.

The Makarov is straight blowback and the recoil is just as bad as the Hellcat, but the sights are much worse. Practical accuracy is almost identical.

It’s easy to sit back and try and cherry pick benefits from archaic designs, but if you’ve actually owned and shot both (as I have), maybe it wouldn’t be so cut and dry and the gun designed in 1940-when could conceivably take a bow to the gun designed in 20XX... a lot has advanced in 70 years...

The cloud of nostalgia reigns supreme on this forum. Do I feel lucky?

Not really.

That’s why I carry the most advanced, most capable sidearm I can reasonably get away with in everyday attire.

And that isn’t a Makarov.
 
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I have a couple of Makarovs, a pristine EG like the OP's and a Russian doublestack. I don't mind the weight or smaller caliber, it makes for easy shooting.

Risking a slight hijack, I think the better option is the CZ 82. 12 rds of 9x18, which never disappeared or escalated in price like 9x19 (and other common calibers) did. Frame-mounted cock and lock safety. Good sights, good ergodynamics (feels good in the hand, points naturally for me).

BTW, the doublestack Mak I have also chambers 12, if you can find mags. I really don't mind the safety on the slide, as it decocks and there are other guns with the same design. The biggest gripe I have with that is the Euro heel mag release, but for 1 mag's worth of shooting, it's fine.
 
Being old school the things I like about the Mak close the deal for me. SA/DA operation, loaded chamber indicator and all steel construction. Have not handled the Hellcat but don't like that type of trigger. Got rid of all my Glocks many moons ago.
 
Being old school the things I like about the Mak close the deal for me. SA/DA operation, loaded chamber indicator and all steel construction. Have not handled the Hellcat but don't like that type of trigger. Got rid of all my Glocks many moons ago.

I certainly agree with your comments, but some equate "new" with "improved" and that's often not the case.
 
I've had a Makarov .380; well made pistol that's accurate even with cast bullets at 25 yards. As I recall, it would feed most or all bullet nose designs reliably. And, it looks like a pistol.

I have a commercial Russian in .380, and it's one of just a few autos I've owned that has never, not even once, malfunctioned with any type of ammo.
 
It’s easy to sit back and try and cherry pick benefits from archaic designs, but if you’ve actually owned and shot both (as I have), maybe it wouldn’t be so cut and dry and the gun designed in 1940-when could conceivably take a bow to the gun designed in 20XX... a lot has advanced in 70 years...

To be fair, nothing on the present market could ever possibly compete with the firearms of 20XX.

I mean, really... The Mega Buster has infinite ammo and can be charged up for increased damage potential, so obviously firearms designs of the 1940s can't compete with it.

GAME OVER
 
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