Malfunctioning Brand new M&P M2.0 5" model - 9 FTEs

[Disabled1]

It shouldn't matter what brand/type/grain ammo you choose to shoot in it, esp. it being a new gun. I think it's an extractor/extractor spring issue. I know this from experience. Several years ago when I bought my SD40VE it was having the SAME EXACT problem. I sent it back to S&W. 3.5 weeks later it came back with a new extractor and extractor spring.
Maybe yours could be the same issue, or not. But, I would definitely send it back.

 

[Cheapskait]

Maybe yours could be the same issue, or not. But, I would definitely send it back.

I don't know, but it could be something really simple like a piece of machining debris wedged between the extractor and the cut in the slide. He might be able to save the time by popping out the extractor pin and taking a gander himself.

 

[Jorgsmash]

I don't know, but it could be something really simple like a piece of machining debris wedged between the extractor and the cut in the slide. He might be able to save the time by popping out the extractor pin and taking a gander himself.

The extractor pin is a roll pin so how hard are those to remove? And aren't the springs very heavy, meaning potentially difficult to reinstall?

 

[Arik]

I would try a different brand of ammo just to rule out that possibility. Having said that S&W did have this issue back when they made the 357 Sig M&P. I know because I owned one and I wasn't the only one having that issue. It would rarely extract and was practically a single shot muzzle loader because I would have to tap out the brass after each and every shot. When, on the rare occasion, it did extract I was actually caught off guard

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[scooter123]

That's true, I have both a SMC380, and a PA63 they both use the same extractor. The 380 is slightly smaller rim than the 9X18 so the extractor is really loose. The SMC though is completely reliable. The ejector is what really kicks the round out of the slide, without it the case would just be pushed back in. I would be surprised though if a new gun had a bad ejector.

Walkingwolf makes an excellent point EXCEPT he forgot to note that Jorgsmash was removing the safety, which is right in the area of the frame where THE EJECTOR IS LOCATED. Jorgsmash I would suggest that you take a very close look at the Ejector in your frame because it may have been displaced from it's correct position when you removed the safety.

 

[Jorgsmash]

So just thoroughly examined the extractor and everything looks OK. It appears it's supposed to stick out slightly. I used the pin that goes in the grip to move the extractor around and the spring seems fine and strong. It moves freely. There's no evidence to suggest the loaded indicator could cause problems is there?

 

[Disabled1]

So just thoroughly examined the extractor and everything looks OK. It appears it's supposed to stick out slightly. I used the pin that goes in the grip to move the extractor around and the spring seems fine and strong. It moves freely. There's no evidence to suggest the loaded indicator could cause problems is there?

I would still send it back.

 

[royal barnes]

I posted some of the same issues with my 2.0 and received a lot of good suggestions. Before I sent it back to Smith I let my gunsmith play with it. He's a certified M&P armorer and experienced the same problems. He took the gun completely apart and found metal shavings under the extractor and inside the firing pin assembly. He also found what appeared to be grease of some kind inside the firing pin assembly He gave it a god cleaning, lubed in the correct places and proceeded to put a box of 124 grain ball through the pistol without a hitch. I have since put 300 trouble free rounds through it. He said one of the things drummed into their heads in the school was not put any kind of lubricant on the firing pin assembly. Don't know whether this could be your issue.

 

[MackTech]

I just got my new 2.0 5" 9mm yesterday. Stripped it and greased the slide rails and oiled as per the manual. It was very dry when I got it. I hope I have better luck than you in the reliability department! Good luck!

 

[Smakmauz]

The extractor is supposed to be like that. They machined away some of the material in that area but used the same extractor so it just kind of sticks out a little. Winchester white box 115 G is notoriously underpowered and known for causing issues like this. If you didn't have any problems with Federal it's because it's actually good quality ammunition with a good amount of power. In order to make some pistolsfunction with really low powered ammunition they would have to use a lighter recoil spring which would only make heavier ammunition recoil more and then people would complain about too much recoil so it's a balancing act.

 

[Rastoff]

But if it were stuck, every round would fail to extract.

Not necessarily. It could be an intermittent problem caused by a burr on the machined surfaces. This could cause it to delay movement enough that it's a problem sometimes, but works most times.

 

[stavey]

Usually ammo or mag related nowadays.

 

[scooter123]

Jorgsmash, you keep focusing on the Slide when chances are that the problem lies with your FRAME. Specifically the EJECTOR which is a finger shaped part projecting forward from the area of the Safety Lever that you removed. This is the part that "kicks" the case sideways out of the ejection port as the slide moves to the rear. If you have this piece out of postion as a result of your removing the safety the failures you have experienced are EXACTLY what you have experienced. I would suggest that you post some pictures of the TOP of your frame so those experienced with this pistol and look and see of the Ejector is properly positioned.

 

[Rastoff]

scooter123,
I don't think that could be it. In this case, the spent cartridge is not pulled back far enough to contact the ejector. Good or bad, the ejector is not in play here.

Look again at this picture:

It is clear that the expended case has not moved backward far enough to contact the ejector.

No, we may not have completely resolved this, but it's certainly not the ejector. This is a failure-to-extract and not a failure-to-eject.

 

[Mark IV]

A FEW teething issues is one thing, but nine of them seems indicative of something more serious (especially on a modern, big-name polymer pistol that typically runs right out of the box).
As others have said, I'd let S&W pay to take a look at it. You have that original-owner warranty, might as well put it to good use, rather than keep wasting ammo hoping it settles down.

 

[Jorgsmash]

Jorgsmash, you keep focusing on the Slide when chances are that the problem lies with your FRAME. Specifically the EJECTOR which is a finger shaped part projecting forward from the area of the Safety Lever that you removed. This is the part that "kicks" the case sideways out of the ejection port as the slide moves to the rear. If you have this piece out of postion as a result of your removing the safety the failures you have experienced are EXACTLY what you have experienced. I would suggest that you post some pictures of the TOP of your frame so those experienced with this pistol and look and see of the Ejector is properly positioned.

I took a look at that a few weeks ago and it looks how it should but I'll post pics later today.

 

[Jorgsmash]

scooter123,
I don't think that could be it. In this case, the spent cartridge is not pulled back far enough to contact the ejector. Good or bad, the ejector is not in play here.

Look again at this picture:

It is clear that the expended case has not moved backward far enough to contact the ejector.

No, we may not have completely resolved this, but it's certainly not the ejector. This is a failure-to-extract and not a failure-to-eject.

Thanks for the response. I also was thinking this same thing, as the casing isn't even being pulled out of the chamber. I think it's an issue with the extractor and will be sending it off to S&W. I also considered the Apex extractor which focuses on reliability, but have read some reviews saying they experienced just the opposite with it.

 

[Jorgsmash]

Jorgsmash, you keep focusing on the Slide when chances are that the problem lies with your FRAME. Specifically the EJECTOR which is a finger shaped part projecting forward from the area of the Safety Lever that you removed. This is the part that "kicks" the case sideways out of the ejection port as the slide moves to the rear. If you have this piece out of postion as a result of your removing the safety the failures you have experienced are EXACTLY what you have experienced. I would suggest that you post some pictures of the TOP of your frame so those experienced with this pistol and look and see of the Ejector is properly positioned.

Here all. Looks perfectly fine to me but I'm no gunsmith.

 

[Rastoff]

Here all. Looks perfectly fine to me but I'm no gunsmith.

Yeah, I think it's fine too. No way this is an ejector problem. Definitely an extraction issue. What is actually causing the extraction problem is what we're unsure of.

Sending it to S&W is the right thing to do.

 

[ThrowinRocks]

For full disclosure, I removed the thumb safety before my first trip to the range. When I removed the safety I only worked on the frame portion and took the slide completely off, so there was no damage to the extractor or anything.

#1.Did you reinstall the safety and try shooting it?
#2.Did you install the plugs that cover the holes that the safety leaves behind when removed?

I ask because those plugs also stabilize the trigger mechanism.