man shot for texting in movie theater

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This guy because of his extensive background will get zero wiggle room in court. A captain, set up swat, head of security for a place like bush gardens? You couldn't write a better resume than that. More is expected from someone like that than joe citizen. Think a case of "over trained" might fly?
 
I just gotta say something else here; I'm really angry about this. As a movie goer, as a husband, as a father, as a gun owner and as a self defense instructor, this just burns me. There is no need for this. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. How do we let our emotions and manners get the best of us like this?

Was the guy texting being rude? Probably. Did the situation get out of hand? Definitely! How did it get there?

What I would like to see is something more like this:
-Hey friend, could you please turn off your phone? The light is interfering with the movie.
-Oh, sorry. I was just texting my baby sitter. I won't do it again.
-Thanks.

Why can't we work things out simply like this? Instead, we let our feelings and testosterone get us up in arms, literally, and someone really gets hurt.
 
This guy because of his extensive background will get zero wiggle room in court. A captain, set up swat, head of security for a place like bush gardens? You couldn't write a better resume than that. More is expected from someone like that than joe citizen. Think a case of "over trained" might fly?

Somebody also mentioned that he spent his whole career with people doing what he told them to do.

I dunno. This is one of those stories where I'm hoping against hope that there is "more to the story." Please, let there be more. There are other articles on it that say there was an argument of some sort... but dayum... makes no sense at all... :(
 
...What I would like to see is something more like this:
-Hey friend, could you please turn off your phone? The light is interfering with the movie.
-Oh, sorry. I was just texting my baby sitter. I won't do it again.
-Thanks.

Nice little fantasy...but in the real world, today's world, it would go more like this:

- Hey, @#$%, how about turning off that phone?
- Hey, how about you mind your own $%^& business.

And it would all go downhill from there...

I go to maybe one movie a year, because of all the rude behavior in theatres these days. As others have noted, I can appreciate a good flick just as much in the comfort of my own home.
 
phones have a vibrate mode,should it vibrate head to the lobby if you feel the need to answer,common sense should rule here,and just being a nice person.the guy should not have lost his life over this,i think there is a little more to the story than, "man texts,ex cop shoots "
 
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my family and i turn off our phones before we enter the theater im not going to ruin someone else s good time, its movie time time to enjoy.I feel the man should have turned his phone off when asked that would have been the right thing to do or go outside . He did not have to get shot over it. to bad u cant buy cell phone jammers in this country cause that would be against the law. sad story
 
I'm with Old TexMex. I can't see it being an A to B with asking to stop texting and then shooting. They always seem to edit out much of a story to increase the hype. As always there is more to this story that I doubt we will ever know.
 
Just a thought. Change the shooter to a homeless man who'd come into the theater to watch the movie and got out of the weather. Of course he would only be carrying a Raven .22 probably in his pocket. Where would all the understanding and excuse making hopeful alternative explanations be?

There would be none. There would be no understanding. There would not be any excuses offered. There would be no hopeful alternative explanations suggested. And for good reason.
 
Exactly. This has nothing to do with texting. It has to do with taking the law into your own hands and making a fool of yourself.

Actually, it has to do with both.

'Rude' met 'Crazy.' As usually works out, Rude lost first, Crazy lost right after.

I am not condoning the shooters' actions in any way, but according to the news story I read this AM, the shooter asked the victim to stop texting because it was distracting. The victim refused to do so. The shooter then left the theater and returned, at which point the victim asked if the shooter had reported to the theater manager. Then the argument ensued. Then the shooting occurred.

Again, NOT justifying, but look at what happened.

Someone was doing something that was annoying someone else - something that common courtesy (and endless reminders in the theater) say you don't do.

The annoyed party requested that the annoying activity end.

At this point, the victim had a choice. He could either do as asked (and as courtesy dictates) or he could 'stand on his right' to continue being annoying. He apparently chose the latter.

The annoyed party took the matter up with the management.

The victim apparently took umbrage for being called out on his rude behavior, and an argument ensured.

The annoyed party escalated in an unpredicted and deadly fashion, and violence ensued. As is typical with violent confrontation, the person willing to 'go there' fastest came out on top.

Unreasonable behavior in return for unreasonable behavior. Both failures of judgement. Not something that Rude should have died for, but Rude misjudged the potential danger of Crazy.

Rude met Crazy and died. Now Crazy goes to jail for having been pushed beyond his irrationally-low limits by Rude.

Evolution in action.

When you decide to be rude to someone you don't know, you take the chance that they are also bat-guano insane, and armed, and will kill you for it. It's not likely but it is always possible.

People used to know this almost instinctively; "manners" developed as a formal way of preventing escalation when dealing with strangers who may just be bat-guano insane and able to make something of it.

Most people in American society today seem to have come to the incorrect assumption that they are absolutely safe from violent reactions by crazy strangers, and so do not need to practice what used to be called 'common courtesy' or 'good manners' or 'being a gentleman.'

This is a false premise. It's usually true, but not always true. Courteous public behavior is a self-defense skill first and foremost. That's why it exists.

Had the man with the phone simply practiced a little common courtesy, accepted that what he was doing was both annoying someone and against the usual standards of theater behavior, and turned off his phone, his daughter would still have a father today.

Instead, he chose to stand on his privilege to be annoying, and possibly (we'll never know, as he's dead) decided that the 71-year-old 'grumpy old man' that complained to him was no threat to that privilege.

Bad choice.

ADDED: Here's the news story I referenced
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texting-triggers-fatal-movie-theater-shooting/story?id=21517988

Police said that Reeves asked Chad and Nichole Oulson several times to stop, and then Reeves left the theater. When Reeves returned, Chad Oulson asked Reeves if he reported his phone use to the theater managers, police said. That prompted an argument which ended when Reeves pulled out a gun and shot Oulson in the chest, police said.

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Sheriff Nocco said Reeves asked Oulson to stop texting. When he didn't, Reeves went to the lobby to complain.

When he returned to his seat, an argument ensued and then turned physical. Reeves pulled a .380 pistol and shot Oulson, Nocco said. Witnesses told deputies Oulson had just texted his 3-year-old daughter.

Oulson's wife had put her hand in front of her husband and was shot in the hand.
 
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I think that's the best analysis of this kind of thing I've read yet, Unc. The historical perspective is a good point--hell, shaking hands seems to have developed as a way of seeing that the person met didn't have a weapon in his right hand at least. Any society has to develop ways for people to interact without violence.

This seems to have been something that could have been prevented if a modicum of civilized restraint and mature judgment had been in play at the end.
 
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Rev, I would have gave you 5 likes for that if I could. I meant something like that earlier. If there are more facts out there they probley will come out. This yahoo deserves no more wishing from people that didnt know him then a bum like you mentioned and A WHOLE LOT LESS! Is there some chance that since he spent his entire working life being a cop, swat, captain, chief of security, head of neighbor hood watch programs and yada, yada, yada, I am now overly trained and here is a chance to my 50 years plus finally to show the world what I been preaching for over 50 years?
The scary thing is on a much lower level, I am even older than him, spent my career in security too albeit not on his "level", could that happen to me?
Here is what I can see. He and his wife should have simply got different seats as there was plenty of them or left. Nope. This bull had tough cops or guards jumping to his tune all his working life. All of the sudden a 6 ft 5" fit looking young guy calls him on his lifetime of bulling and my God, look at that critter I stirred up, I am the man here, and he lost it out of fright and after a half century of preaching what he would do to others he`s in a instant, faced with it! (I bet he never really though he would be.) He simply reacted in the split second, but for one of the first times in his life hes mad at the same time and obviously wasnt thinking straight. Thats my take.
 
Actually, it has to do with both.

'Rude' met 'Crazy.' As usually works out, Rude lost first, Crazy lost right after.

I am not condoning the shooters' actions in any way, but according to the news story I read this AM, the shooter asked the victim to stop texting because it was distracting. The victim refused to do so. The shooter then left the theater and returned, at which point the victim asked if the shooter had reported to the theater manager. Then the argument ensued. Then the shooting occurred.

Again, NOT justifying, but look at what happened.

Someone was doing something that was annoying someone else - something that common courtesy (and endless reminders in the theater) say you don't do.

The annoyed party requested that the annoying activity end.

At this point, the victim had a choice. He could either do as asked (and as courtesy dictates) or he could 'stand on his right' to continue being annoying. He apparently chose the latter.

The annoyed party took the matter up with the management.

The victim apparently took umbrage for being called out on his rude behavior, and an argument ensured.

The annoyed party escalated in an unpredicted and deadly fashion, and violence ensued. As is typical with violent confrontation, the person willing to 'go there' fastest came out on top.

Unreasonable behavior in return for unreasonable behavior. Both failures of judgement. Not something that Rude should have died for, but Rude misjudged the potential danger of Crazy.

Rude met Crazy and died. Now Crazy goes to jail for having been pushed beyond his irrationally-low limits by Rude.

Evolution in action.

When you decide to be rude to someone you don't know, you take the chance that they are also bat-guano insane, and armed, and will kill you for it. It's not likely but it is always possible.

People used to know this almost instinctively; "manners" developed as a formal way of preventing escalation when dealing with strangers who may just be bat-guano insane and able to make something of it.

Most people in American society today seem to have come to the incorrect assumption that they are absolutely safe from violent reactions by crazy strangers, and so do not need to practice what used to be called 'common courtesy' or 'good manners' or 'being a gentleman.'

This is a false premise. It's usually true, but not always true. Courteous public behavior is a self-defense skill first and foremost. That's why it exists.

Had the man with the phone simply practiced a little common courtesy, accepted that what he was doing was both annoying someone and against the usual standards of theater behavior, and turned off his phone, his daughter would still have a father today.

Instead, he chose to stand on his privilege to be annoying, and possibly (we'll never know, as he's dead) decided that the 71-year-old 'grumpy old man' that complained to him was no threat to that privilege.

Bad choice.

remember guys this is Florida and there is a stand your ground law in Florida

the wife had her hand shot thru while on her husbands chest, do you think she might have been trying to calm her husband down or restrain him during the altercation

was he attempting to come over , or appear to be coming over the seat at the time the popcorn was thrown?

if the retired captain believed he was about to be assaulted by a bigger man 40 years his junior, he had every right under Florida law to defend himself

the old captain was a trained professional, if he felt endangered he reacted just as his training would have taught him, stop the threat,

however if he left the theatre and then returned with the gun, that opens up a whole other case of worms !

I do not know what happened, just what has been reported, until all the evidence is in, no one knows how this will play out,

but it is obvious that the young father failed to completely understand
old farmer rule #3

(don't start a fight with an old man, they are to old too fight and will just shoot you if they feel threatened )

it is a sad day for the father, he is gone,
his wife and daughter, who are now without a spouse and father in the world,
the old captain who after a lifetime of service is now looked upon, and being derided as a crazy killer,

and his family who's honored father is now looking seriously at the rest of his life in a jail or at least the next 2-3 years in a court room, and the cost that goes with this action

there are no winners in this act of ignorance?
 
I am old and I may be thinking that way as well. I can't understand why anyone needs to be in constant contact with all the friends all the time. People go to the movies to enjoy time away from daily activities and be entertained. They can't just shut off the phones for a couple hours? Up the street from me a woman was recently run down and killed by a texting driver. The driver had just left home. What could be so important? People walk around all the time appearing like they're talking to themselves. I really don't want to hear their conversation and they should realize how annoying that is. The retired cop in this case was WRONG to do what he did. I'm sure they'll find out he was unhinged in some way. I agree that the guy should have just moved away from the texter or politely asked him to stop but sadly this wasn't the case. Now we're seeing a tragically affected family that will never heal from this.
 
Another stupid move that provides the antis with ammo for their cause. Dont see it turning out well for the shooter. Popcorn throwing falls well short of life threatening. .
 
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