man shot for texting in movie theater

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Remember, the wife, standing beside her soon-to-be-dead husband, had time to place her hand in front of his chest in an attempt to block the bullet which passed through her hand and into her STB husband.

More pure conjecture. What kind of superwoman was this who could act so quickly as to even THINK about blocking a bullet. Perhaps she was trying to restrain her husband?


But, I hasten to add, we have to wait till the facts work their way out in the coming process.

Please, by all means, do just that.
 
That's a BS assumption! All indications, so far, are that the shooter went out to inform the manager of the texting issue. So, heed your own words and 'wait for the facts."

A "No Guns" sign has no legal force.

Dude, chill out so this thread doesn't get locked!

EVERYONE is speculating now. Including you.
 
That's a BS assumption! All indications, so far, are that the shooter went out to inform the manager of the texting issue. So, heed your own words and 'wait for the facts."


A "No Guns" sign has no legal force.

I'm not making any assumptions. I started out by saying we need to wait for the facts to come out. I googled (due to responses) the shooting (after reading responses) and could not find anything about the guy leaving the theater to get his gun. I know didn't just imagine it. I heard it somewhere, probably on tv this afternoon.
 
I hope this case stays well publicized and not drop out of the news as it will be interesting to watch. There is a lot to be learned off it. In a way the results will be a **** shoot and can go anyway depending on a glib lawyer and how gullable the jury will be. In other words the same case could be tried a dozen times in a row and the outcome might be 6 for and 6 against or hung. The outcome might well prove nothing if it ever happened exactly the same again.
 
When you decide to be rude to someone you don't know, you take the chance that they are also bat-guano insane, and armed, and will kill you for it. It's not likely but it is always possible.

People used to know this almost instinctively; "manners" developed as a formal way of preventing escalation when dealing with strangers who may just be bat-guano insane and able to make something of it.

This, I think, is the most important lesson to come out of this tragedy. It is never a good idea to provoke strangers, as you simply don't know what the outcome will be.

When I was teaching my sons to drive, I strongly emphasized to them that they should never, under any circumstances, get into an argument or fight with another driver, as you never know what that person might do, or be capable of doing. The same advice applies to all public places.

In the western part of my state last weekend, there was apparently a road rage incident that got way out of hand...the aggrieved party chased his victim for 15 miles, from Maryland into Pennsylvania, before catching him and shooting him to death. Scary stuff...

Police: Man said enraged motorist chased him 15 miles - CNN.com
 
This happened about 15 miles north of me and I wish I knew what people are thinking these days I probably wouldn't want to know! :eek:
 
Brucey
You throw something in the face of this 73 year old and I will tell you what my reaction will be.
I have no access to your mind---I don't know you and I sure can't trust you. You are bigger than me, faster than me and have every advantage over me.
I don't know.
I will tell you that I am not going to wait until I get to the hospital for someone to tell me what he did.
Now, you can take that peace, love & understanding and when it comes to invading the space around my nose--you better bring all you got because I am not going to let you go for back-up.
Been there done that.
Blessings
 
Folks, I have no idea where you grew up or that you have ever been in a fight--so my comments will not mean anything to ya'll if you have not.
A fight is a fight--one wins and the other looses.
I have never been in a fight---a fight---not a scuffle---where folks get up shake hands and become friends. That is me.
If you learn anything from a fight is that the guy you are fighting is trying to whip your butt.
The idea of a fight is to win--not a scuffle amongst friends you know. That said people you know can be the worse enemy you have.
You boys can do it any way you want.
Blessings
 
Kensterfly:

Not my conjecture about the woman placing her hand in front of her husband's chest, rather that's what has been reported here by the news as I pointed out earlier. based on what the Sheriff said, the woman herself said, and, apparently witnesses.

If you have decided that this is untrue, then you seem to be guilty of what you accused me of-speculation. You seem to want the result to come out that the shooting was justified and want to shout down or demean anyone who offers something that conflicts with that.

I think we ought to just watch the facts unfold as the case progresses. I have no personal stake in the case and it will be unlikely to change my life much if he is acquitted, or is found guilty.

You need to chill a bit.

Bob
 
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In Ohio, the "No Guns Allowed" signs do carry the force of law.

If the signs do in Wesley Chapel, Florida (and I do not know if they do) those who ignore them and say they would "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" are about to see how that works out. Even if they do not, every media outlet in the country will make a big deal out of it.

As far as the victim throwing popcorn, a witness stated: "Somebody throws popcorn. I'm not sure who threw the popcorn," Cummings said. "And then bang, he was shot."

The shooter did tell the police that the victim threw the popcorn.

Sheriff's Detective Allen Proctor wrote that Reeves spoke to Oulson during the movie previews, then got up from his seat and informed management.
When Reeves returned to his seat "additional words were exchanged" and Oulson threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves, the report said.


But...

The two men began to argue and Reeves walked out of the auditorium. Police said Reeves was going to complain to a theater employee. But Nocco told CNN on Tuesday night that the manager was busy with another customer and Reeves never addressed his complaint with a supervisor.

Then there's this:

Police said despite Reeves' claim that he was in fear of his safety, this was not a case for Florida's "stand your ground" defense.
"Working with the state attorney's office it was determined that stand-your-ground does not fly here in this case," Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said.



The shooter is a retired police officer who helped establish a tactical response team for the department, retired head of security at Busch Gardens and also a combat veteran. He has "situational awareness" ingrained in his DNA.

I do believe the fact that since the shooter already had a verbal altercation with the victim, not only had a chance to leave the scene but did in fact leave the scene and then return, will have a bearing on this case.

One of the first things that became apparent to me when I gained my license is that I have given up the right to be offended. I must always remember that I am "a man with a gun".
 
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One of the first things that became apparent to me when I gained my license is that I have given up the right to be offended. I must always remember that I am "a man with a gun".

Good policy with or without a gun. No need to allow words from stranger to get your blood pressure up.

I'm guessing these two guys were unaware of each other's existence until this event. Yet they allowed words from a stranger to ultimately lead to the destruction of both their lives. Imagine that... allowing someone you don't know, don't care about, not even aware of their existence to get you so worked up over what they said that it lead to forever changing or ending your life.
 
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CP
Now, you are beginning to learn a life lesson about dealing with folks.
The problem is you are trying to make humans possess (as in own) the ability to do all the right things all the time and never loose control.
It will never happen.
Be prepared.
Blessings
 
Brucey
You throw something in the face of this 73 year old and I will tell you what my reaction will be.
I have no access to your mind---I don't know you and I sure can't trust you. You are bigger than me, faster than me and have every advantage over me.
I don't know.
I will tell you that I am not going to wait until I get to the hospital for someone to tell me what he did.
Now, you can take that peace, love & understanding and when it comes to invading the space around my nose--you better bring all you got because I am not going to let you go for back-up.
Been there done that.
Blessings

I began my ministry working in the inner city of New Orleans. I worked the streets. In such work, you meet all sorts of people. Over the last 32 years, I've served seven other church fields, some of which have been just about as "interesting."

Early in that service I worked both in leading a church as well as other jobs. The early years were very "interesting." I have been shot at one time in my life by a bunch of fools who were doing a dope deal. I have been jumped exactly one time in my life by three guys who cornered me behind some dredging pipe in a ship yard. On one occasion I jumped three fellow, one of whom was "armed" with brick, as they were breaking into cars in the parking lot I was guarding. I of course was armed, with a baton.

The years of full-time pastoral ministry have not been boring. As a pastor serving in a local church I have been threatened with a beating one time outside of a drug store. I have had "troubled" people pull knives on me on two separate occasions, one time they moved on to 2x4's.

One day in 1988 I observed a man stomping a woman at a bank. I got him off her and he ran. A little over a mile later he went for a knife. I picked up a brick and he ran. A little over a 1/2 mile later, he went for a gun. I still had the brick. At that distance it would have hurt. Happily he stayed cool against the fence so I didn't need to use the brick. The police only saw a white man with a brick holding a man against a fence. So, they pointed their guns at me. Fine. Once they knew the score, they arrested the criminal.

In August 2009 I was on my way to a camp meeting service. A gentleman who had probably had a bad day was engaging in a little "aggressive driving" the upshot of which was that I had to stop my car to avoid an accident. He came out of his car and began to threaten me, etc. Now, he had me by at least let's say 30 years, and at least 20 pounds. He was certainly in better physical condition. Guess I should have pulled out a gun and shot him? Guess simply talking to him and calming him down and letting him get in his car and go on his way was not the right thing. After all, the sheriff's deputy who arrived in the next few moments didn't get to see a man laying in a pool of blood. Nothng to put in the newspapers. Gee!

On one church field policeman on one occasion decided I was a dope dealer and pulled me over, did the shotguns pointed at my head screaming at me routine. I thought they'd been playing army to much and told them so. The State Patrol officer who arrived momentarily looked things over and told them in a nice way that there was no problem and no cause for them to be acting like they were. Their problem... I had a COLT 1911 lying on the passenger seat of my car. It was .... unloaded. It was a birthday gift given to me by my identical-twin brother, a deputy sheriff in the county where my parents resided. A few years later I was pulled over for speeding. I'd gotten turned around in a rural area of New Hampshire and was as lost as could be. As I stood up out of the car, the officer pulled his pistol and started shouting, "Get back in the car. Get back in the car." I think he'd been watching to much T.V. I told him so, straight to his face. We chatted for maybe 10 minutes. He showed me on a map how to get back to Boston. Cool.

The most dangerous incidents and people I've had to deal with are the people who have threaten to "have my job" on at least three occasions. The number one most dangerous ones in the bunch have been the ones who ... turned the truth into a lie and used it as a weapon of mass destruction to assault against people and against myself. The fools w/ the guns and knives and 2x4's ... they happen. I never shot any of them. I did take the knives and other toys away from them. The folks who harbor an unreasoned resentment, who are devoted to control even to the destruction of themselves and others, these are in my experience the ones who cause the greatest damage.

I am a Christian. I am a follower of Jesus Christ. He's the one who told us to "turn the other cheek." He's the one who also told us to buy a weapon. I have found that Jesus is a tough act to follow. It takes more spine than I ever imagined to turn the cheek. The overwhelming majority of times that I've had to do that, it has not been because someone was using their fist. Their weapon was almost invariably their tongue. I've not yet had to go to a weapon. I have used my hands. It's nothing to be proud of. Only a fool would boast of or dwell upon such things. Very much wish those happily few incidents could have been worked out in a better way.

As to the space around someone's nose, I have no interest in it. I am a man, the exact same as you. I conduct myself as a responsible rational man, not a cartoon comic book or Hollywood cowboy or action hero. I try to be thoughtful, kind and consider to all people, even the pugnacious. If I choose to send or receive a text in a public place, I will do so. And, whoever finds that objectionable will just have to accept it. It is no different than wearing a baseball cap turned around backward or a tattoo proclaiming service in the Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines. If someone doesn't like it, that is their problem.

Again, if an individual has a problem with my texting, wearing that backwards baseball cap, political t-shirt, tattoo, etc., they will just have to accept it. It is a public place. They are not in control. And, if they pull a gun to try to force their will, I deal with their high handed attitude and action in a manner that will resolve the matter in the most appropriate way possible. Does not mean I will "shoot first and let God sort them out." No. As in pass little incidents, I typically sort them out myself. God has better things to do.

Now, most likely they will get to walk away simply b/c that has always been the way I deal with folks who are out of control. I settle them down, and once they are calm and once again acting normally, once they have finished having their little tantrum and are no longer screaming and raving, they are much better off. Now, as with the knives and 2x4's, the folks who pull a weapon almost invariably get to have a chat with the police. And, charges are pressed against them. It is for them a learning experience. The one occasion where charges were not pressed, I kept the butcher knife. They weren't much without it. Later threw the knife in the trash. It wasn't worth keeping. The joker with the knife lived. Cool. It is never a bad thing when everyone leaves walking on their own two feet, even if that means someone has to do something more than just push their weight around.
 
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OK--you have been lucky.
This guy was not so lucky and he was attacked.
What is your point.
Are you saying you would have just stood there and let the man have his way with you.
I am not understanding your apology.
Blessings
 
We all have seen jury decisions that we didn't agree with. That means anything can happen in court. But I seriously doubt someone throwing popcorn or a jelly roll at you gives you reason to draw a gun and shoot them. How often have we seen on the evening news cops standing shoulder to shoulder holding shields, wearing helmets, face guards and a club trying to hold a crowd back while they are being pelted with rocks especially in the mid east? I think most of those rocks must have been recycled many times by now. I think the maddest I ever got was when I was about 14 years old I was working in a field with other kids bunching radishes on my hands and knees. A kid threw a oversize radish at me clowning around. It may as well have been a 1/3 pound rock. Caught me alongside the head. I went temporarily insane. I got him down and was attempting to choke him to death. To get me off he got a hold of my lower lip and yanked briskly. Pulled my lip away from my gums. Two of his older brothers helped him out too. We let each other live and were friends after that. You dont shoot someone for throwing popcorn at you especially if you have a lifetime behind you as trained cop!
 
The point is--you lost it--never mind the rest.
If you don't know what is coming but from the previous discussion you can assume he is not going to hug you and give you a big ol kiss then I suspect you would not be so generous with your patience.
Blessings
 
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