Massachusetts compliant Shield?

[Chevy]

In another thread on this board someone mentioned that the Shield is not "Mass compliant".

Can you (anyone) help me out and explain what this means? What do they have to do to the Shield to make it "Massachusetts compliant"? If someone that lives in Mass buys a shield that isn't "Mass compliant" can they bring it home with them?

 

[kris7047th]

A S&W tech told me that they have to put a 10lb trigger on it. That SUX !

 

[Chevy]

10 lb trigger? Say what? Does that mean every gun sold in Mass has to have at least a 10lb pull on the trigger? Very hard to believe that.

 

[yanici]

If you have the time read the link below. It eventually gets into the MA compliant rules sprinkled in among other items. Tough reading MA gun laws and getting them right without getting dizzy first. It's no wonder that Glock doesn't even bother selling new guns here.
940 CMR 16.00 - Attorney General Martha Coakley - Mass.Gov

 

[coorslight]

count your blessings if you live in a free state, I can't wait to move out, 9 years and counting.

 

[icemn]

The MA shield when it is approved will have a 6.5 lb trigger as it has the thumb safety.

 

[Chevy]

Wow. I had no clue. Ok, so for those of you that live there and have to put up with this **** I have a couple more questions:

1) If you live in Mass and have a legal CCP (no restrictions) and you buy a gun in another state, like say a Shield that is not Mass compliant, can you return with it and register it? How does Mass know if it is "mass compliant"?

2) Lets say you wait and S & W finally releases a Mass compliant Shield with 6.5lb trigger pull. Is there anything from preventing you from doing a mod to the gun and putting in the non-compliant trigger after you get it home?

 

[yanici]

Wow. I had no clue. Ok, so for those of you that live there and have to put up with this **** I have a couple more questions:

1) If you live in Mass and have a legal CCP (no restrictions) and you buy a gun in another state, like say a Shield that is not Mass compliant, can you return with it and register it? How does Mass know if it is "mass compliant"?

2) Lets say you wait and S & W finally releases a Mass compliant Shield with 6.5lb trigger pull. Is there anything from preventing you from doing a mod to the gun and putting in the non-compliant trigger after you get it home?

1)If you are a MA resident with a MA license, you can't buy an out of state hand gun unless it is shipped through a MA FFL. No MA FFL will transfer a noncompliant gun. The only way to get one in is if you move into MA from another state. Then you can bring your Shield with you. Once here, in MA, you could sell the Shield to a licensed person in a private sale but not through an FFL.

2)I contacted S&W customer service and was told that the MA Shield "WILL" have a 10 pound trigger in spite of the safety being present. You can do the trigger yourself if you want to after purchasing the 10 pounder.

 

[icemn]

I've been told by 2 dealers who have it in stock that it will be 6.5 lbs.. I've also dry fired it and it felt more like 6.5 than 10. CS doesn't always have the right answer.

 

[mervstump]

Here is the URL for the "Approved Firearms Roster" for Massachusetts. It is my understanding that nothing is "Mass Compliant" until it makes this list and nothing makes the list until it is tested. Notice that Tarus has nothing on the list. I'm told it's because they refuse to test.

http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/chsb/firearms/approved-weapons-roster-2-2012.pdf

Note this list is for February, 2012. I think it is the latest, but if you google "approved firearms roster massachusetts" you can find the latest at any time. Merv

 

[yanici]

Here is the URL for the "Approved Firearms Roster" for Massachusetts. It is my understanding that nothing is "Mass Compliant" until it makes this list and nothing makes the list until it is tested. Notice that Tarus has nothing on the list. I'm told it's because they refuse to test.

http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/chsb/firearms/approved-weapons-roster-2-2012.pdf

Note this list is for February, 2012. I think it is the latest, but if you google "approved firearms roster massachusetts" you can find the latest at any time. Merv

Here's the kicker. Just because the gun is listed on the EOPS list does not make it MA compliant. Only the AG can determine that and the AG is silent until you try to sell a gun in MA and then will fine you if iy is not MA compliant. Also, the AG does not publish a list of compliant guns but leaves it up to the manufacturers and dealers to decide if it's worth the chance to sell each model gun. It's just a crazy mind boggling system that needs to be corrected but our liberal, gun-phobic legislature won't do their job to correct it.

 

[yanici]

I've been told by 2 dealers who have it in stock that it will be 6.5 lbs.. I've also dry fired it and it felt more like 6.5 than 10. CS doesn't always have the right answer.

The gun that the dealers are showing you and have for display purposes only is not the MA compliant one that they will be selling. I hope you ae right about the S&W CS person being wrong about the trigger weight but I'd trust the CS's answer over a dealers.

 

[icemn]

Not sure why they'd show a 6.5 gun if it's gonna be 10. Time will tell. If I do end up with one and am forced to get a 10 lb trigger, I'll be on the phone to APEX in a heart beat.

 

[macski222]

It's 10 lbs, with or without a safety. My mp9c was 10 lbs without a safety, apex went in before I ever shot it. There's nothing stopping you from altering the trigger once you buy it, the dealer just has to sell it with the MA compliant trigger pull weight.

 

[Chevy]

Guys you're the best. Thanks for all the information and help. I don't live in Mass but have a relative that does. After shooting my Shield this past weekend they were all set to go buy one for them self. They had no clue about all this stuff. With your help I'm educating them.

 

[macski222]

I heard mid summer there should be a MA compliant version of the Shield

 

[USAFret]

Anyone want to guess why I live just about one mile north of the Massachusetts border in gun-friendly New Hampshire. Grew up in Mass and left there in the 60's; have never regretted that move. Also left California in the 70's after living there for five years. That was a good move too.

 

[Chevy]

Well I continue to find out more and more about how lucky i am not to live in Mass. The laws there are beyond stupid. It appears to be completely at the discretion of the "local" police chief as to whether or not you can get a gun permit. There is no uniform set of rules that apply to all citizens of the state that they can follow and get one.

Gun licensing requirements vary at discretion of local police - Hanover, MA - Hanover Mariner

My blood relative already has a permit but the rest of the family doesn't and now they're not sure if they'll be able to get approved. No one in the family has as much as a traffic ticket either. Very long standing family in the community, fire department affiliated, school teacher, . . . back ground wise it doesn't get much better/cleaner.

And there is some idiot in the state that thinks there is low gun violence in the state due to this series of laws. This is just crazy. Very glad I don't live there.

 

[macski222]

We have the highest violent crime rate in the Northeast here in MA. These back*ss gun laws are really keeping everyone safe and sound from those bg's.

And yah, it's a treat to have to go in for an interview after paying the money to take the proper courses, just to see if the local chief thinks that your worthy of your 2nd amendment rights or not. Gotta love "massghanistan"

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Anyone want to guess why I live just about one mile north of the Massachusetts border in gun-friendly New Hampshire. Grew up in Mass and left there in the 60's; have never regretted that move. Also left California in the 70's after living there for five years. That was a good move too.

No, I don't want to guess. Why would you live so close?