Goodbye Smith and Wesson!! You don't get my business anymore.

[Smakmauz]

He could do that, but then he'd have a 4.25" barrel in a slide designed for a 5.0" barrel.

S&W has quietly discontinued 5.0" 40 S&W models due to low sales. There's a reason that CDNN has been selling FDE 5" slides for $50-60 on ebay for the past several months. They clearly bought up S&W's excess inventory. I bought one of the slides for under $50 with an eBay coupon, then realized that 5" 40 S&W barrels were unobtanium.

40 S&W has become a niche caliber. It still outsells .38 Special in the US, but 9x19 outsells it by over 25 to 1. That steady demand for ammunition is not indictative of new pistol sales; one of the big problems for new .40 S&W pistol sales is that LE agencies have rapidly switched back to 9mm over the past decade. This means that new pistols are competing with lightly-used LE trade-ins.



Glock and CZ aren't going to solve any theoretical parts issues for you. Glock has announced to dealers that everything in .40 S&W is getting discontinued, and it remains to be seen if there will be any replacement models.

Even before then, .40 S&W Glocks were down to batch production when enough LE agencies made orders for them. Some Illinois State Police officers commissioned 100 year anniversary commemorative Glock 17s, which is somewhat humorous because the ISP has never issued a Glock in 9mm. However, there wasn't going to be a .40 S&W batch anytime soon, so they settled for G17s.

As for CZ... there are legions of Shadow 2 OR owners who can tell you just how non-existent extended safeties can be for months at a time. IIRC, the only current production 40 S&W CZ is the TS2, which clearly isn't designed for carry at 48.5 oz unloaded and a <2 lb trigger.

The best outcome that S&W could plausibly make for you is replace the pistol with a current production pistol in a different caliber, or a different 40 S&W in 4.25". I've met a police officer who shot his 45xx enough to crack the frame; S&W replaced it with an M&P 2.0 in 45 ACP, as 45xx production had stopped ~20 years earlier.

Totally understand that .40 isn't popular anymore and like I said, I won't be buying any new .40's. But to have parts on hand and say we won't sell you a critical part for a pistol in a now unpopular caliber while they WILL sell you another one is ludicrous. They were still introducing .40 chambered pistols as late as the beginning of this year, now suddenly its dead. I feel bad for all those people who bought the brand new .40's and this is basically it.

At least glock has huge aftermarket support which drives down cost of parts.

 

[Narragansett]

Workers arise, peasants revolt !!

 

[Smakmauz]

Take advantage of the warranty and send it in. If it is indeed a barrel issue, they will replace it and it wont cost you a dime.

Unfortunately, long past warranty.

 

[Smakmauz]

I was going to say because it is involved in everything too, but you summed it up better...

Ha! Thanks, I tend to get a little wordy.

 

[Smakmauz]

If S&W did offer an OEM replacement, I doubt it would be cheaper, or enough cheaper, to make a difference.

$70-$100 usually for an oem nitride black, $185 for a KKM stainless steel or $225 for black nitride.

 

[GaryS]

I must have missed the reason that you couldn't contact Customer Service and tell them that your gun has become inaccurate. They'd likely send you a shipping label and you could send it back to the factory.

They might tell you it's a none warranty repair, but it's likely that they'd drop a new barrel in and send it back to you no charge.

 

[Beju]

Totally understand that .40 isn't popular anymore and like I said, I won't be buying any new .40's. But to have parts on hand and say we won't sell you a critical part for a pistol in a now unpopular caliber while they WILL sell you another one is ludicrous. They were still introducing .40 chambered pistols as late as the beginning of this year, now suddenly its dead. I feel bad for all those people who bought the brand new .40's and this is basically it.

At least glock has huge aftermarket support which drives down cost of parts.

The thing with that, is that S&W has current production .40 S&W M&P pistols, but only in 4.25". There are still enough LE agencies ordering 40 S&W pistols to justify occasional batches, but again, only in 4.25". ~5" guns simply haven't been popular with LE agencies since the heyday of the Beretta 92.

I'll probably break down and buy a KKM barrel for the 5" M&P40 slide that I have.

 

[Erich]

Oh, sir, you're very kind, thank you. There's really not anything getting under my skin, I'm already a bitter, jaded, a-hole so nothing here is gonna make that worse. I honestly just hope seeing my experience can help someone, in either direction really... we all need stepping stones for our paths from time to time what that may be. That's what sharing info is all about. You have a great day and keep being positive, I have yet to figure out that part of myself.

Well, thanks for taking the time. Hang in there, amigo.

 

[BoulderTroll]

All I wanted to do was get a barrel for an m&p that's worn out

I didn't say I shot out my barrel. But it does happen.

I'm confused...which is it? From your hypothetical, "maybe you drop it on gravel and mess up the crown" comment, it's clear you haven't actually worn out your barrel, so in other words, you're choosing to get fired up about a hypothetical issue. And in the case of dropping it on the ground, you don't need a new barrel; there are plenty of folks around who can recrown it for you.

So back to the original issue, eb07's point is valid: Who on Earth would be unable to afford a $185 replacement barrel but have plenty of money for the $20,000 in ammo or $15,000 in reload components needed to shoot out a 40 S&W barrel?

Your comment about your M&P being a "disposable gun" just because you can't buy an OEM replacement barrel is silly, considering about 99.9999% of handguns ever made in history only had one barrel, and never needed more than one. It sounds like you just badly want something to be angry about, and your follow-up posts say the same. Maybe take up yoga, cut back on coffee?...I'm just spitballing here.

 

[Beju]

I know a guy who shot out a 5" 9mm M&P 2.0 barrel, but he's a police range instructor who also puts on classes on the side as well.

It took about 40,000 rounds (some of which of dubious quality) and he got it hot enough to melt the front sight fiber optic on more than one occasion.

 

[Smakmauz]

I thought you were leaving and not coming back?

Sounds like you are the one that cannot take it. You make political comments that have nothing to do with Smith and Wesson not replacing your barrel. Someone flips that back at you and you double down.

Insults and curse words are usually used when we can't formulate a good argument.

I am sorry for your situation but if you use the same problem solving skills and charm you used here I don't see the situation getting resolved.

Good luck.

So I'm supposed to be the one who backs down to a troll who wants to try and sound intelligent? It's my post... why wouldt I say what was on my mind? I never said these things I'm saying are facts and everyone should agree with me or else. He made a snarky comment and then edited his post later, to add more snark and I replied in kind. Simple as that. I like discussions even if it's arguing. We don't argue enough anymore because everyone is so sensitive and in need of their safe spaces. Instead, people like you and the other guy get all passive aggressive thinking your smart and having the brilliant mic drop moment to end the "rap battle" and "win" the conversation or whatever it is in thatline of thinking, but no, you're not.

I only insult people who aren't intelligent enough to realize that I'm not insulting them. Or those that take every little bit of argumentative conversation as in insult. Which are basically the same thing.

So yes, thanks to a troll and a troll guardian I now remember why I stopped coming to this forum a long time ago, because its brimming with adults with the constitution of a 15 year old girl and every simple post I make ends up being a total ***** show (partly my fault because I like challenging passive aggressive turds )

So if the thought police moderators don't kick me off first, I just need to figure out how to unsubscribe from this forum and delete my log in.

IT'S WHISKEY TIME #8L0WMEE

 

[bobsguns]

It's not. That's just the way their acting. That was the nicest way I could put it and not get sited for bad language by the wholesome police. There's definitely more choice words I'd rather use. But since you mention it... most things in everyday life ARE political, because they've wormed their way into EVERYTHING we do, everything we buy, our health, our entertainment, food, clothes...ev-er-y-thing! It sucks but it's the facts. I always get a kick out people saying that "not everything is about politics" and then watching them roll their eyes why I tell them exactly why most things are, by using their own conversations as examples. I guess that's why I don't really have any friends.

I'd buy you a beer anytime, sir!

I've gotten multiple time-outs in here on politics. That's all I'm going to say about that.

I agree with you 100%. But Smith isn't the only one doing that. Look up Bill Ruger not selling normal capacity mags for their Mini rifles & supporting the mag ban.

 

[ladder13]

So I'm supposed to be the one who backs down to a troll who wants to try and sound intelligent? It's my post... why wouldt I say what was on my mind? I never said these things I'm saying are facts and everyone should agree with me or else. He made a snarky comment and then edited his post later, to add more snark and I replied in kind. Simple as that. I like discussions even if it's arguing. We don't argue enough anymore because everyone is so sensitive and in need of their safe spaces. Instead, people like you and the other guy get all passive aggressive thinking your smart and having the brilliant mic drop moment to end the "rap battle" and "win" the conversation or whatever it is in thatline of thinking, but no, you're not.

I only insult people who aren't intelligent enough to realize that I'm not insulting them. Or those that take every little bit of argumentative conversation as in insult. Which are basically the same thing.

So yes, thanks to a troll and a troll guardian I now remember why I stopped coming to this forum a long time ago, because its brimming with adults with the constitution of a 15 year old girl and every simple post I make ends up being a total ***** show (partly my fault because I like challenging passive aggressive turds )

So if the thought police moderators don't kick me off first, I just need to figure out how to unsubscribe from this forum and delete my log in.

IT'S WHISKEY TIME #8L0WMEE

8 years here, have you ever read The Rules?

The Rules. Take note of 1,2,3 in particular.

Now you can trash me too, if you haven’t already.

 

[walter o]

it has long been S&W policy that they are a GUN manufacturing company and not A PARTS SUPPLIER BUSINESS. CALM DOWN AND CONTACT THE PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED AND GET YUOR NEW BARREL.tHEN UOU CAN INSTALL IT.

I hate it whem i cant see the caps button.

 

[ImDrRich]

Because of liability concerns more and more gun makers aren't selling parts directly anymore...if they don't install the parts themselves they cannot accept liability for what someone else does that may be unsafe.

Whether that's what's behind S&W's decision on this I can't say...but it seems in line with other makers.

Sir: You are right on the money!

 

[GnarlsR2]

Geezzz...

It's interesting how much emotional discourse a little 5" hollow metal tube can provoke amongst a group of highly intelligent spitballers.

 

[Racer X]

Serious question. In Right to Repair states, how would Ruger or S&W deal with parts requests? The law overrides policy.

 

[joeb427]

Much ado about nothing.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Serious question. In Right to Repair states, how would Ruger or S&W deal with parts requests? The law overrides policy.

It appears to be a good thing for us consumers, however I don't believe it is LAW yet.

 

[JoeB51]

My mom told me I was special. She lied.