Maybe a bad purchase

OK, how many are we talking? A few out of 1/2 million? And who's to say it the guns fault? Thats when and why you send it in. Out of spec cheap bulk ammo maybe. Built up crap in the chamber from using Rem thunderturds? Just bad quality control on the ammo. Mods to the gun? Has this happened to upper end ammo such as CCI mini mags or wolf, sk? These are questions that may end up solving the accidental oob. Just sayin instead of slammin
 
Brett248Vista said:
Isn't that what all guns do?
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No. A round discharging while in battery is very different from a round detonating out of battery.

Cheap bulk ammo still must follow SAAMI specifications and pass normal QC procedures. A gun that is dirty may jam, but simply being dirty is not an excuse to fire out of battery. Guys are accessorizing their gun, but did anyone mod their bolt, or the firing pin to allow it to reach the primer OOB? I don't think so. Why make excuses for S&W instead of asking them to fix their product?

Saying 'wait until it blows up and send it in' is like saying wait until the car accelerates out of control and then fix the pedal, or wait until the gas tank goes up in a fireball then fix the car.
 
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Thanks for the replies - didn't think this would stir as much conversation as it did....

I started the thread bc I was under the impression that it was an all or nothing deal - like if your gun looks like this then it will malfunction and you have to send it back - a for sure thing. I know see that's not the case. I will continue shooting and we'll go from there.
 
GrandRoyal said:
Thanks for the replies - didn't think this would stir as much conversation as it did....

I started the thread bc I was under the impression that it was an all or nothing deal - like if your gun looks like this then it will malfunction and you have to send it back - a for sure thing. I know see that's not the case. I will continue shooting and we'll go from there.
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I think thats a good move, Plus who wants to be without their gun even tho S&W turn around time is fast.
Mine is a DTH model and the only issues ive had is squished rounds from not taking my time loading the mag correctly.
A man could get pretty wealthy if he made a very reliable speed mag loader for this gun, HINT HINT!

I guess that must be my next project when i get bored.
 
WOW, I can't believe how many of you are giving S&W a free pass on an obvious defect in their rifle.
Even a small number of these rifles firing OOB is a BIG problem.
Let's get Smith to fix these almost great little rifles.
You folks that don't see a problem, wait until your kids, wife, etc, gets injured, then I'm sure you will see the light.
OOB firing is a DEFECT in these guns, period.
JMHO
avery
 
Look at all the bad guns out there....

Spikes Tactical OOB: .22lr fired out of battery. - Glock Talk

Ruger 10/22 can fire OOB: Interesting article I read in Gun Tests regarding out of battery firing in 22 LR's

Glock 22LR conversion OOB: .22LR Case Rupture [Archive] - Calguns.net

Ruger Mark II OOB: 22lr case failure at the range tonight - XDTalk Forums - Your XD/XD(m) Information Source!

Yeah all these different guns must be the issue....

(Perhaps it's a big conspiracy and it's all 15-22 owners posting the stuff above, and just too afraid to admit it was their 15-22 that did it!)

:D
 
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Perhaps you're missing the point, any gun firing OOB has a problem.
The numbers of Smith's having the problem is much higher than an occasional other gun having a malfunction.
Brett, let me guess.
You have been a member for a couple of months, and have accumulated almost 700 posts.
You are excited with your new purchase, maybe your first?
Well good for you, we need more shooters.
But just because you have not had a problem, doesn't mean there isn't a defect.
Yes, I'm old. Owned about every 22 known to man at one time or another. None have had the problem in numbers as the 15-22.
They have a problem. I hope for your sake, they fix it before you lose an eye.
avery
 
avery53 said:
Perhaps you're missing the point, any gun firing OOB has a problem.
The numbers of Smith's having the problem is much higher than an occasional other gun having a malfunction.
Brett, let me guess.
You have been a member for a couple of months, and have accumulated almost 700 posts.
You are excited with your new purchase, maybe your first?
Well good for you, we need more shooters.
But just because you have not had a problem, doesn't mean there isn't a defect.
Yes, I'm old. Owned about every 22 known to man at one time or another. None have had the problem in numbers as the 15-22.
They have a problem. I hope for your sake, they fix it before you lose an eye.
avery
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My first what? My first Firearm? Pffffft! Dude your a comedian, no really keep it up, I just spit my coffee out! :)

I am not making excuses for OOB in the 15-22 but if you know Firearms as well as you claim, then you will see that there are some pretty venerable firearms in that list above, that have had issues. I think there's more to it than "it's the gun". But you are entitled to think whatever you choose, and I am allowed to do the same because of people like you who served and thank you for that!
 
avery53 said:
You folks that don't see a problem, wait until your kids, wife, etc, gets injured, then I'm sure you will see the light.
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I agree w/ a lot of your philosophy, Avery, but not this part. If you allow your wife and/or kids to be close enough to receive a piece of shattered brass, your wife and/or kids are way too close.

I was at my favorite indoor range yesterday and some moron DID have his wife and two kids (about 8 and 10) in the booth area w/ him while he repeatedly set off his new .45. All had eye and ear protection but the observation team was on the ejection side of his new Kimber w/ the brass bouncing off of them.

They thought it was great fun!

You have not factored in the moron factor for this discussion.
 
lonejacklarry said:
I agree w/ a lot of your philosophy, Avery, but not this part. If you allow your wife and/or kids to be close enough to receive a piece of shattered brass, your wife and/or kids are way too close.
I guess I should have chosen my words better.
I kind of assumed, ( yeah I do that too much) the person owning the rifle, would be letting his wife and kids shoot the 15-22.
Thanks
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My brother has a 15-22 and occasionaly he has a dud. when he pulls it out, I load it into my 702 plinkster and send it down range.
He just gives me a funny look.
 
Hey guys.... let's keep the evaluations and opinions focused on the firearm and not on Forum members.
 
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avery53 said:
lonejacklarry said:
I agree w/ a lot of your philosophy, Avery, but not this part. If you allow your wife and/or kids to be close enough to receive a piece of shattered brass, your wife and/or kids are way too close.
I guess I should have chosen my words better.
I kind of assumed, ( yeah I do that too much) the person owning the rifle, would be letting his wife and kids shoot the 15-22.
Thanks
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No one should ever be beside a Firearm as it's being fired. Spectators should be behind the line of fire. If they are going to shoot the rifle, the rifle should be set down properly, with the magazine released and the chamber open.
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On my Ruger 22/45 if the bolt is pulled back more than about 1/16'' - 1/8'' the trigger disengages and moves freely. Same with my Sig522. Same with my S&W 22S but it is so sensitive that all you have to do is think about touching the bolt and the trigger disengages.

This is not the case with my 15-22. The trigger seems willing and able to drop the hammer no matter how far out of firing position the bolt is.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
On my Ruger 22/45 if the bolt is pulled back more than about 1/16'' - 1/8'' the trigger disengages and moves freely. Same with my Sig522. Same with my S&W 22S but it is so sensitive that all you have to do is think about touching the bolt and the trigger disengages.

This is not the case with my 15-22. The trigger seems willing and able to drop the hammer no matter how far out of firing position the bolt is.
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Correct the trigger will drop at any time on the 15-22. But if the bolt is not in battery, how can the hammer strike the firing pin? If the bolt is back, by design the hammer can not hit the pin squarely. *Shrugs*

I am going to test this tonight and shoot a video of it.. And maybe we'll have some video evidence for S&W.
 
Brett248Vista said:
Correct the trigger will drop at any time on the 15-22. But if the bolt is not in battery, how can the hammer strike the firing pin? If the bolt is back, by design the hammer can not hit the pin squarely. *Shrugs*
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I duknow... just sitting here with nuttin better to do so I checked out the difference among those .22s.

I am going to test this tonight and shoot a video of it.. And maybe we'll have some video evidence for S&W.
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Cool.
 
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