StatesRightist
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See my previous post, you are stating urban myth, not reality.
Mdl. 19 trade
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See my previous post, you are stating urban myth, not reality.
ma deuce
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Don't feed the trolls.
71firebird400
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Yeah, S&W introduced the endurance package on the 629/29 because of an "urban myth"
StatesRightist
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Yeah, S&W introduced the endurance package on the 629/29 because of an "urban myth"
Yeah, 20 years ago. I guess you think Ford still makes the Pinto. Your post is absolutely not relevant to today's guns.
I might have done that when I was 22 but I wouldn't do it now. I like my 19-5. It's been with me for 20 years and likely will be for another 20.
You do know they aren't making K-frame magnums any more, don't you?
Tom Kent
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I carried 19s as duty weapons for years. The only thing "delicate" about them was me. Moderate care and they last for ever. I also shot magnums out of mine. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Amityslim
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Well, Harrison, you gotta expect what you might call a dearth of empathy on an S&W collectors' forum about trading a fine out-of-print S&W for a Ruger. It is a good thing that we can have so many choices in the U.S, though. I've tried for 40 years to love Rugers and failed. I've probably owned as many of them as S&Ws, but the only Ruger I've got now is a 25 YO 10-22 with a Leupold 2-7X Rimfire on it. Ain't nuthin' like a good S&W, and IMO the 19 sorta walks on water.
Harrison,
If you are happy that is all that matters. The fact you are a armed american, love to shoot, and believe in the 2nd Admenment is good enough for me. Whether or not some of us posting here would not have made the trade is of no consequence. Keep shooting down range !!
If you are happy that is all that matters. The fact you are a armed american, love to shoot, and believe in the 2nd Admenment is good enough for me. Whether or not some of us posting here would not have made the trade is of no consequence. Keep shooting down range !!
Hillbilly77
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I enjoy poking beehives with sticks..... I would've made the trade too.
I think the Model 19's are ugly. I prefer the full length barrel lug of the Model 586.
586. Now that's a damn fine looking revolver.
I think the Model 19's are ugly. I prefer the full length barrel lug of the Model 586.
586. Now that's a damn fine looking revolver.
Knightrider03m
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Oh noes! That is like trading in a 2012 Corvette for a 1996 Grand Am and still having you pay for title and transfer fees
That gun store saw you coming
As long as you are happy I guess
That gun store saw you coming
As long as you are happy I guess
Money wise it does not sound like you got the good end of the deal. That being said, I've had some guns that just didn't suit me or my needs, so I sold or traded them off to buy guns, etc., that were I preferred. You obviously were not happy with the Model 19. That is fine. Everyone has their own opinion. If you bought it with the idea of using it to fire heavy magnum loads routinely, then you were uninformed. Had you chosen a L or N frame, you would have been very much well served. Look on this as a learning experience. As to durability, any firearm is just a mechanical device. They all wear. Sooner or later, they all require some attention. With reasonable care you will enjoy many years of enjoyment shooting the Ruger. Failing such care, your Ruger SA will have to make a trip to the gunsmith. It's not the end of the world. Have fun!
PeterCartwright
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Uh, you said you made the trade for a FLAT TOP Black Hawk .44? If that's what I think it is, all trash talking aside, you did quite well-even on a financial basis. Last I checked, flat tops, in good shape, were drawing substantially more than model 19s.
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Hillbilly77
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Put all the naysaying aside.
The bottom line is that you could've traded your Model 19 for a Co2 pellet gun, and if both people are happy with the trade, it was a good trade.
That's the deciding factor - both parties are happy. Monetary values mean little compared to your happiness with the deal.
You sound happy, so you win. Good for you.
The bottom line is that you could've traded your Model 19 for a Co2 pellet gun, and if both people are happy with the trade, it was a good trade.
That's the deciding factor - both parties are happy. Monetary values mean little compared to your happiness with the deal.
You sound happy, so you win. Good for you.
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I think he meant one of the new "Limited" edition flat tops, not an original from the 50's. I would not have made the trade but enjoyed shooting my 5 1/2" Super BlackHawk just yesterday.
Can't we all just get along? Disclaimer: I am a member off the Ruger Forum too.
M3Stuart
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Just a point of information; I'm a member of the Beretta and Ruger forums. But I don't spend any time there because I'll get flamed if I say anything that the haters and caliber-queens don't approve of.
Just saying.
Just saying.
kbm6893
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It is not urban myth. I sent a couple of my K frame magnums in to S&W for some work, and everytime i did it, the gunsmith would emphatically tell me not to shoot .357 in a K frame, and if i insisted on it, to only shoot 158 grain and do so sparingly. The K's were designed to be carried with .357's, but not shot as often with them. Bill Jordan even advised against shooting many .357 in them. Now some people will say they have 20,000 .357 down the pipe, and others will say they split a forcing cone very early on. There have been several threads on here where members have told of splitting forcing cones.
If S&W was so sure of the k frame magnums, why'd they stop making them? They still churn out K frame .38's, so why not give shooters the choice?
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71firebird400
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I'm getting accused of my post not being "relevant to today's guns"? Huh, I thought I was in the 1961-1980 forum
Listen, I love S&W's but they are not perfect. I am willing to admit that, although it sounds like you aren't.
StatesRightist
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I'm getting accused of my post not being "relevant to today's guns"? Huh, I thought I was in the 1961-1980 forum
Listen, I love S&W's but they are not perfect. I am willing to admit that, although it sounds like you aren't.
No S&W has issues, like any product. I'd agree with you 100% that new gun's triggers are not as good as the old ones etc. I also realize some people like Colt etc better, which is cool as well. What I do not like is hype driven, statistically insignificant statements. Remember the Toyota fiasco a couple of years ago, it turned out 11 of those "events" were legitimate and of those 5-6 driver error played a part. So essentially having a problem was about as likely as winning the Cash 5 etc. Yet, "everybody" knows Toyota's have mechanical issues, despite the fact years of industry studies prove the exact opposite.
Your initial statement implied something that was not true for a vast majority of owners, yes a few experienced an issue, but not many and certainly not enough to validate the myths.
I'd even agree if you intend to shoot nothing but the heaviest loads in large numbers, Ruger is a sturdier gun, that however, does not mean the 19 is not the perfect gun for the time/use it was designed for. Make sense?
StatesRightist
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Responding, but not directly at you ........
The reason is clear in this forum. People exceed the design specs of something and then act shocked when a product fails. It's not the product, it's the user.
I said a second ago, if someone's deal is I've got to fire 300 125gr .357's regularly they should buy a Ruger. If you want a non-anchor weight carry/combat piece, buy a 19.
Smith I suspect, quit making the K frame .357 because they got tired of hearing the whining from those can't read or follow directions in the owner's manual.
The 19 is an almost perfect gun for carry and moderate practice sessions, it's design was not for a heavy duty/heavy use range gun, failure to realize this does not make the 19 a bad gun, it makes those who did not bother to understand it's role the problem, not the gun.
I'll never understand how some can let an internet forum ruffle their feathers...
Rules
Too each their own.
I'd like to see a lot more threads that don't speak highly of the K-frame .357 Magnums.
There seems to be quite the demand for them and with a bad rep, I may be able to afford to get some more.
Rules
Too each their own.
I'd like to see a lot more threads that don't speak highly of the K-frame .357 Magnums.
There seems to be quite the demand for them and with a bad rep, I may be able to afford to get some more.
roaddog28
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As sometimes happens, this thread has wondered off the OP's statement. The OP stated he had traded his model 19 to a gun shop for a Ruger Blackhawk 44 magnum 6.5 barrel and gave the shop $100. And then he proceeded to bash the model 19 because it was a "weak" revolver compared to the Blackhawk.
To me the OP was comparing apples to oranges. Does not make sense period. The two revolvers are vastly different and should not be compared to each other.
The model 19 is one of the best if not the best all around shooting revolver S&W or any gun maker has made. The 19 balances well, weights just enough to handle most rounds and can be carried without any problems. Try lugging around a Blackhawk all day long. I have! Also the model 19 has what I consider the best out of the box double action trigger in a 357 magnum. Sure the model 19 will wear out sooner if one shoots hundreds of 125 gr "flame throwers" or someone gets crazy with his reloads. But most people will never split a forcing cone or shoot a model 19 loose in his or her lifetime. And as far as comparing strength. The model 19 is built on a medium frame. The Blackhawk that our OP bought is built on a large 44 magnum frame. A better comparsion would be a model 29 versus the Blackhawk. And that is not a fair comparsion either because a single action revolver is stronger than most double action revolvers because of its design.
In my opinion the OP should of stated that he traded a model 19 and cash for a Blackhawk and let it go at that.
Regards,
Howard
To me the OP was comparing apples to oranges. Does not make sense period. The two revolvers are vastly different and should not be compared to each other.
The model 19 is one of the best if not the best all around shooting revolver S&W or any gun maker has made. The 19 balances well, weights just enough to handle most rounds and can be carried without any problems. Try lugging around a Blackhawk all day long. I have! Also the model 19 has what I consider the best out of the box double action trigger in a 357 magnum. Sure the model 19 will wear out sooner if one shoots hundreds of 125 gr "flame throwers" or someone gets crazy with his reloads. But most people will never split a forcing cone or shoot a model 19 loose in his or her lifetime. And as far as comparing strength. The model 19 is built on a medium frame. The Blackhawk that our OP bought is built on a large 44 magnum frame. A better comparsion would be a model 29 versus the Blackhawk. And that is not a fair comparsion either because a single action revolver is stronger than most double action revolvers because of its design.
In my opinion the OP should of stated that he traded a model 19 and cash for a Blackhawk and let it go at that.
Regards,
Howard
zelda
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A Ruger is the "Glock" of the revolver world. They shoot good but are ugly.. S&W revolvers shoot good and look good doing it
larry8
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Well Harrison, are you going to tell us where you traded off the 19? There will be a bunch of us (me too) trying to contact that LGS for that gun.
thomashoward
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Seems to me you traded down ,but if you are happy run with it. next time keep the Smith and just buy the Ruger.
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