Snub Nose Sasquatch
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Looks beautiful but the 586 is just as good looking and cheaper.
Meet the new model 20...
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The IL and frame mounted FP kills it for me. I can fix the grips.
Instead of another python , I’d go with a new Anaconda for that money.
Instead of another python , I’d go with a new Anaconda for that money.
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StrawHat
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This guy is Proud of his new $1500 dollar gun. Give him some positive feedback. I hope it doesn't have any QC issues and is a fantastic shooter for him. I was looking at one today, pretty cool gun. I just could never pick up the sights! Old person eyes and all. I would like to see a 586
Silhouette Model. Built right of course.
Silhouette Model. Built right of course.
I'm largely in agreement about the lock, but that's one of those things where money may go from the S&W pocket to the parent company (Saf-T-Hammer) pocket.
Other than that, this revolver exists in this form because Davidson's requested at least the minimum quantity necessary for S&W to produce it. The end user is not S&W's primary customer; we're way down the list after gun distributors, large gun store chains, and LE agencies.
There is also a 4" model, SKU: 14113
Other than that, this revolver exists in this form because Davidson's requested at least the minimum quantity necessary for S&W to produce it. The end user is not S&W's primary customer; we're way down the list after gun distributors, large gun store chains, and LE agencies.
There is also a 4" model, SKU: 14113
This is clearly Not the same management at S&W as when the Heritage series of revolvers were introduced. The imminent failure of this gun will only convince the powers that be at S&W Not to introduce anymore "classics". Afterall where will they find the next Carl Hellstrom?
Clayguy
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Nice looking revolver, but $1549 without adjustable sights and has the Hillary Hole, no thanks!
Too much money. Just cruised through their new online catalog, and there is nothing below $500 but the laser-less Bodyguard 38, and it has a polymer frame...
Another fumble!
I like the idea of retro revolvers.
But, they gotta get the details right!
Adding the upper sideplate screw while including the widely hated lock is ridiculous and contradictory.
I guess we should be happy they didn’t emblazen a QR code on the sideplate or rollmark some type of warning on the barrel?
Two other thoughts:
1) I like the idea of a long barrel. (The current fad for “everything snubby” is beyond me!) But they even screwed that up by making it 6” instead of 6.5”. Again, you gotta do it right.
2) The idea of a fixed sight .357 Magnum built on a large frame and with a long barrel makes no sense. I seriously doubt there’s one single person who would pay the price for one of these and then subject the revolver to the type of abuse for which a fixed sight has any advantage.
Seems like another example of committee “group think”. Somehow, I can envisage a hodge-podge of disparate ideas negotiated over a Zoom meeting by a bunch of suits who really don’t know anything about guns, or even their own company’s heritage.
My advice for anyone who might actually want one of these is to be patient. Many of the Heritage Series revolvers have missed the mark. They then sat unsold on the market for a year or two. Then, the prices got drastically slashed, and the inventory got unloaded.
Once the supply was dried up, the “shoulda coulda” guys start lamenting that they “missed out”.
And, the prices start to climb.
I saw this repeat itself with the Ed McGivern revolvers (clearance priced as low as $500), and those awful looking Thunder Ranch .44 Specials, to name two.
Better yet, just buy a used pre-war Heavy Duty.
I like the idea of retro revolvers.
But, they gotta get the details right!
Adding the upper sideplate screw while including the widely hated lock is ridiculous and contradictory.
I guess we should be happy they didn’t emblazen a QR code on the sideplate or rollmark some type of warning on the barrel?
Two other thoughts:
1) I like the idea of a long barrel. (The current fad for “everything snubby” is beyond me!) But they even screwed that up by making it 6” instead of 6.5”. Again, you gotta do it right.
2) The idea of a fixed sight .357 Magnum built on a large frame and with a long barrel makes no sense. I seriously doubt there’s one single person who would pay the price for one of these and then subject the revolver to the type of abuse for which a fixed sight has any advantage.
Seems like another example of committee “group think”. Somehow, I can envisage a hodge-podge of disparate ideas negotiated over a Zoom meeting by a bunch of suits who really don’t know anything about guns, or even their own company’s heritage.
My advice for anyone who might actually want one of these is to be patient. Many of the Heritage Series revolvers have missed the mark. They then sat unsold on the market for a year or two. Then, the prices got drastically slashed, and the inventory got unloaded.
Once the supply was dried up, the “shoulda coulda” guys start lamenting that they “missed out”.
And, the prices start to climb.
I saw this repeat itself with the Ed McGivern revolvers (clearance priced as low as $500), and those awful looking Thunder Ranch .44 Specials, to name two.
Better yet, just buy a used pre-war Heavy Duty.
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Personally..... anything with a hole in the side of the frame will never be in my collection. Not speaking for others here - it's just a personal gripe I have. To me...... nothing beats an original!
2.75"? 3"? You folks and your telegraph poles! 2" SB: now that's the ticket. The late Andy Cannon used to turn out 'street guns' like my above 2" SB wish, stating with a Model 65. Anybody out there have a Cannon revolver? Like it?
Kaaskop49
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Davidson's ran a batch of four inch guns a while ago. Supposedly only 250 made. I snagged one. Nice companion to my HD and 520. I think I have $1400 in it. Not cheap but I'm not complaining. Yeah, the grips are kind of weak.
Already have two Pythons. Don't need another. Likewise a 27 and a 28. I like the 20 style. That is enough reason for me.
Already have two Pythons. Don't need another. Likewise a 27 and a 28. I like the 20 style. That is enough reason for me.
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Grayfox
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S&W has completely lost connection with their customer base.
A new Model 20? Why?
A new Model 20? Why?
hkcavalier
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I don't think discerning enthusiasts are their core marketing target. I am pretty sure most of these will be bought by an older gent with some $ burning a hole in his pocket who will overlook those unwanted "features" we're lamenting.
Well, wouldn’t the parent company make more money if they sold more revolvers to those people who want to buy S&W guns but without the lock?
How much does it really hurt sales? Enthusiasts are a small percentage of handgun sales. Davidson's is in the business of selling large quantities of guns, and they think that they can move however many of these that they commissioned.
A significant number of people that are dead-set against the internal locks are also dead-set against MIM components.
Am I being disparaged here?
Nah, just kidding. Gotta admit, however, that when I pick up a decent S&W revolver of whatever era, I can hear music. And isn't that why we are here? 
I'm that 'older gent' mentioned above but the $ doesn't burn a hole in my pocket. It gets spent very quickly. One reason I came to the valley.Kaaskop49
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P.S. A 4" Model 20? The band is starting to warm up.
I have no stats or percentages on who buys what and why.
I do know that I bought two Pythons myself which probably paid for a bunch of those locks.
MIM is not a deal breaker for me, the lock is.
But, if they don’t care, so be it.
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I suspect that S&W management must have seen the popularity of Colt's resurrection of old familiar names with a twist of nostalgia and felt that rather than lose market share of revolvers to their Rival, Colt they would start a series of wheel guns to appeal to this same customer.
The Heritage series of guns turned out some very interesting guns, while I'm Not sure if you can consider that a success or not You Don't often see them for sale. They also Don't have the "benefit" of the ill fated internal lock that is so universally hated. In any event I see this new model 20 as simply a marketing ploy to recapture market share in the revolver field, although they've done a poor job of knowing and understanding their customer base. Seems like non-gun folks running a gun company, number crunching businessmen.
The Heritage series of guns turned out some very interesting guns, while I'm Not sure if you can consider that a success or not You Don't often see them for sale. They also Don't have the "benefit" of the ill fated internal lock that is so universally hated. In any event I see this new model 20 as simply a marketing ploy to recapture market share in the revolver field, although they've done a poor job of knowing and understanding their customer base. Seems like non-gun folks running a gun company, number crunching businessmen.
hkcavalier
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Am I being disparaged here?
Kaaskop49
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P.S. A 4" Model 20? The band is starting to warm up.
No disparagement intended at all. I just know who usually buys shiny blued revolvers from the case at the LGS, and it's not the 25 year olds. I'm in my late 40s and the topic of my age comes up in those shops when I ask about some old wheelgun on display. "Are you getting it for your dad as a gift?"
My teenage girls like guns like that, but they also know they don't need to run out and get their own when they're of age.
