Method of Suppressing 15-22

[jonniemactyler]

New to forums and I have a question that you guys might be able to help with.

I own a 15-22 and love it. I also have a Silencerco Sparrow suppressor that I have used on the rifle. After shooting with the suppressor on the rifle and also on a pistol, I almost immediately decided that I wanted a 15-22 that would be as quiet as the pistol with bulk ammo (no supersonic crack). So now I am wanting to either SBR a 15-22, chopping the barrel to around 4.5" or possibly get an integrally suppressed version of the 15-22.

If I go the SBR route, then I will probably also purchase another silencer for full time use on that weapon. I would need a smith that knows 15-22s to cut and rethread the barrel. This would leave me with a very short, handy, and quiet gun. The cost of rifle + stamp + silencer + stamp + gunsmithy work. . . or

Innovative Arms has an integrally suppressed 15-22 rifle for msrp $1150 + tax stamp + transfer & paperwork fees. Leaves me with a full size 15-22 that is only slightly heavier than the standard rifle but always suppressed. The SBR route would be better handling due to reduced length, but that is the only upside I see as I wouldn't be using the suppressor on anything else (already have the sparrow for that).

I am open to input and thoughts on this, so please chime in. Also would love to hear from anybody who has experience with the Innovative Arms integral gun. Which is the better path financially and which will leave me with the better weapon. BTW cool factor is meaningless to me as I don't care about showing off at the range or posting pics and gloating on forums. I am concerned with which will be the most fun, reliable, and quiet.

Thanks for any help y'all can provide.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

After shooting with the suppressor on the rifle and also on a pistol, I almost immediately decided that I wanted a 15-22 that would be as quiet as the pistol with bulk ammo (no supersonic crack).

If this is the case, why not just use subsonic ammo? It would be much cheaper than a SBR with associated costs & stamp.

Now if you just want a SBR, that is a different matter.

 

[jonniemactyler]

If this is the case, why not just use subsonic ammo? It would be much cheaper than a SBR with associated costs & stamp.

Now if you just want a SBR, that is a different matter.

Partially because I don't want to have to rely on buying a specific kind of ammo. Also, I was shooting some "subsonic" ammo that still went supersonic out of the 16" barrel. I have a bunch of CCI standard velocity that stays subsonic, but I have thousands of more rounds of other ammo that is supersonic. And this type of bulk pack ammo is readily available, under typical conditions (ignoring current ammo shortages). Much nicer for me to walk into Wal-Mart and pick up a couple of bricks of ammo and be able to shoot it suppressed, or use whatever ammo my friends have brought with them.

I have other suppressors in different calibers, and realize when using them that ammunition selection is key to effective silencing. However, I do not want to have to be picky about ammo with a 22. I know I mentioned price as a factor, but freedom to use cheap readily available ammo and get the same results is worth it to me. My question was regarding weapons, not ammo.

 

[Majorlk]

Good luck on getting consistent quiet reports with HV ammo, no matter what you do to your firearm. Suppressed operation IS very ammo-dependent. There a reason subsonic ammo is below 1,000 fps.

You can't change the laws of physics.

 

[jonniemactyler]

Good luck on getting consistent quiet reports with HV ammo, no matter what you do to your firearm. There a reason subsonic ammo is below 1,000 fps.

You can't change the laws of physics.

I have had very good luck apparently when shooting my pistols suppressed. Virtually none of my ammo goes supersonic out of their short barrels. Now if using the integrally suppressed gun I would still have ammo going supersonic, that is the type of information I am looking for. In that case, I would go the SBR path. It was my understanding that the integral gun's barrel was ported so that typically supersonic ammo stayed subsonic.

 

[batman4706]

You can probably get some good advice here:
SilencerTalk ? Index page

They have a rimfire section.

 

[vipermd]

JM: Why? Do you want to use the 15-22 quietly at a distance that you can not use the pistol at? If so cutting barrel to 5" will limit your effective range to that of the pistol. Will the loss of velocity affect it's effectiveness on small game/critters/target? Also if you travel ( cross states line ) you can do so with the can but the SBR requires other "reporting". You mentioned using bulk ammo, whatever is there? certain brand?. I looked at the IA 15-22 - nice-but< 1150+ 200+75+80-90 for sales tax = 1515 approx vs 350$ for 5000 rds of subsonic remington, price would come to about 1500$ for 25000 rds of sub. So back to the original question- Why - If you need a smaller package you have the pistol, if you went with a 12" bbl SBR, you are only (gaining/losing ) 4" over factory gun, but would still have rifle like accuracy, if you go to 5" you now have a stocked handgun, giving up vel,accuracy. You could also try some CCI Quiet 22lr and that may give you what you are looking for in sound, maintain accuracy, save you 1500$ and you do not have to wait 7+ mo for paperwork. Just some ideas. Be Safe,

 

[telero]

SilencerTalk is a good place to look around. There was a video posted there of a Ruger MKIII that was integrally suppressed by SRT Arms that was specifically designed to use CCI Mini-Mags. It's a pistol, so I don't know if a rifle could be made to be reliably subsonic using HV ammo, but it would be cool if it could be.
SRT Arms Intergrally Suppressed MKIII Government Model - YouTube

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I think that just maybe the OP is looking for justification to get a SBR... not looking for logic. The "high" cost of subsonic ammo over bulk ammo sounds like as good a reason as any.

 

[roadkill45]

sub's are about .75 cents higher than normal .22 here. I don't personally have an integrated suppressed gun, but a friend does, and he can't stand to fire it due to the next to impossible job of tearing it apart every time he fires it since it gets so filthy, especially and more importantly more filthy than with a regular can (it's a 10/22) He wishes he would have just saved the money and stuck with cans only, left the rifle alone.
cost alone to SBR a .22 is really kinda silly, i mean i can see it on a 5.56 but to spend that much on a plastic .22 does not make sense to me.
sure with regular ammo you get sonic crack, the can is to make your shooting position not so noticeable so the enemy/prey cannot tell where it is coming from. notice the military does not use sub sonic 5.56...no good recipe for it really.

i've gotten 2-3 shots of dogs (coyotes) who just stand there after say i miss the first shot (does happen) since they can't tell where it came from, if you are camo'd correctly, so that opens you up for consecutive shots.
depends on your distance also from muzzle end to target..say 16" bbl to a target 50 ft away....will it go over 1000 fps to get there thus breaking the sound barrier? sometimes yes, sometimes no. fire any suppressed weapon into a good backstop 10 feet away and you will not hear it since it can't get up to speed.

wouldn't waste the time nor the money, unless you happen to have the disposable income to do so for fun, like the 99% of us do not have.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

sub's are about .75 cents higher than normal .22 here.

Each? Where are you?

 

[CrazyFingers]

fire any suppressed weapon into a good backstop 10 feet away and you will not hear it since it can't get up to speed.

What does that even mean?

wouldn't waste the time nor the money, unless you happen to have the disposable income to do so for fun, like the 99% of us do not have.

99% of us don't have disposable income for fun?
(Looks in gun cabinet)
Your stats might be a tad off.

 

[jonniemactyler]

I think that just maybe the OP is looking for justification to get a SBR... not looking for logic. The "high" cost of subsonic ammo over bulk ammo sounds like as good a reason as any.

I need no justification to get an sbr or can. If I want it, I will get it. I was wondering which would be the better option in regards to the firearm itself. As I have no experience with either of these options, I asked for opinions. Opinions on the firearms, not ammo.

And the cost of the ammo isn't my issue...availability is. Subsonic ammo is not readily available where I am. In fact no .22 ammo is right now, subsonic especially isn't to be found locally. And when I go plinking alone or with a group of my buddies, blowing through several bricks of ammo in a day is effortless. Thats why I want to be able to use the most readily available ammo and suppress it to the level I desire.

 

[jonniemactyler]

sub's are about .75 cents higher than normal .22 here. I don't personally have an integrated suppressed gun, but a friend does, and he can't stand to fire it due to the next to impossible job of tearing it apart every time he fires it since it gets so filthy, especially and more importantly more filthy than with a regular can (it's a 10/22) He wishes he would have just saved the money and stuck with cans only, left the rifle alone.
cost alone to SBR a .22 is really kinda silly, i mean i can see it on a 5.56 but to spend that much on a plastic .22 does not make sense to me.
sure with regular ammo you get sonic crack, the can is to make your shooting position not so noticeable so the enemy/prey cannot tell where it is coming from. notice the military does not use sub sonic 5.56...no good recipe for it really.

i've gotten 2-3 shots of dogs (coyotes) who just stand there after say i miss the first shot (does happen) since they can't tell where it came from, if you are camo'd correctly, so that opens you up for consecutive shots.
depends on your distance also from muzzle end to target..say 16" bbl to a target 50 ft away....will it go over 1000 fps to get there thus breaking the sound barrier? sometimes yes, sometimes no. fire any suppressed weapon into a good backstop 10 feet away and you will not hear it since it can't get up to speed.

wouldn't waste the time nor the money, unless you happen to have the disposable income to do so for fun, like the 99% of us do not have.

The round has all the speed leaving the muzzle that it is going to have.

You also assume I am suppressing this so that I don't spook game that I am shooting at. Not the case, I am suppressing for my personal comfort and the comfort of the humans near me.

Useful info though if the integral gun is difficult to clean, but you told me about your friend's 10/22. Not the gun I asked about which may be constructed in a way where cleaning isn't a chore.

 

[jonniemactyler]

You can probably get some good advice here:
SilencerTalk ? Index page

They have a rimfire section.

Thanks, will check there too.

 

[Hobie1]

Yes, any projectile is going at max speed when it leaves the barrel. Unless it has a secondary propellant pushing it faster such as the artillery Rocket Assisted Projectile (RAP).

 

[strobro32]

The 15-22 and Sparrow sounds pretty quite with subsonic ammo. It may sound louder to the shooter because the plastic stock is right against your check bone. The Sparrow has little first round pop on a rifle length barrel but has a FRP on a pistol length barrel.

Any barrel under 4.5" (rifle or pistol) will keep high velocity .22LR ammo subsonic. Some hyper velocity ammo could still go super depending on altitude and temperature.

Accuracy is dependent on how well the muzzle crown is created, not barrel length. Barrel length adds velocity. A good suppressed host should be around 1000 fps.

Innovative Arms makes a good product but you already have one of the best suppressors for a rifle. It would be cheaper, easier to clean and faster to shorten or re-thread your 15-22. Be sure to ask for Sparrow thread specs. He does a good job and is affordable. JP grips did my 2" barreled MKII/III and it will still outshoot a P22, M&P22 or SR22.

 

[crofoot629]

OP ( or others) how does the intregally suppressed keep the bullet from being super sonic out of a 16" barrel? Does this method slow the bullet down?

I have an AAC Element and had a Ruger MKIII pistol cut down to I believe 3.5" so it keeps everything sub sonic. This combo works great.

The Element suppressor on my 16" barreled Spikes .22 keeps things quiet enough to me even with super sonic Federal 36 Grn bulk pack.

My one complaint is cleaning the suppressor is time consuming.

I got off track. How's the intregally surpressed rifle work if it has a 16" barrel to keep rounds subsonic? I'm clearly missing something here.

Emory

 

[vipermd]

JM: PM Sent.

 

[vipermd]

crofoot629: I just spoke to the company and they are using a 10" barrel, ports, and their can. Interesting setup that appears well thought out , to maintain accuracy, sound suppression, cleaning ability. It will be quiet with bulk ammo and still be user friendly. I watched their videos- impressive- and will let you know how mine sounds, works when I get it. Be Safe,