MEXICO

THE PILGRIM

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Do any of you guys still go to Mexico? I have been going there off and on since 1958, I think. I have been to almost every border town, some of them several times. I used to drive down to Baja Kino with an associate who has a house down there. I used to take my wife and kids shopping in Tijuana. The last place I went in Mexico is Naco, just below Bisbee, AZ. The last time I almost went was Nogales. I was in downtown AZ Nogales but decided not to go over. I hear mixed signals from folks who live down that way.
A retired border patroller who lives down around Green Valley,AZ told me he never goes down any more. An El Paso guy told me he goes all the time, in the daytime. But only to down town Juarez. We used to like to drive across the 'new' Juarez bridge into that shopping mall area. Nice stores. I liked the huge grocery store with a huge tortilla factory and a band. Did I mention the great food?
So I am too cautious in my old age or is it really too dangerous to visit the Mexican border towns?
 
I didn't leave anything there last time I went and don't plan on going back.

Forgetting for a moment the warning our department and state DOJ issued us about staying out of Mexico (and if we did go to leave our badge and ID in the U.S.), I am close friends with a couple of retired Border Patrol agents who wouldn't cross into Mexico on a bet.

I fear the actions of the government and it's corrupt officials as much as I do being recognized by a cartel member.

FWIW.

Bob
 
I got in trouble down there in the so called safer days 45 years ago. I aint about to go down now that I am older, fatter, slower and not as tough. Of course if I did I would stay out of the bars etc.
 
Next time in the LA area just go down Whittier Blvd, or anywhere in Huntington Park and BINGO, you're back in Mexico. Not too safe either, especially after dark.
 
used to go to mexico often. stayed with a friend who had a house in monterrey. wouldn't go their now for anything.
 
Spent the last two Christmas vacations in Mexico, along the Mayan Riviera on the Yucatan Peninsula. Will be back this year too.


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Since 2007 I have been down there three times by motorcycle. We go to the Copper Canyon area and other back-country areas, staying out of tourist areas, and moving away from the border as quickly as possible. It is the best cheap vacation I can imagine, two weeks for under $1000.00.

Haven't been able to go for the last three years, but the group I ride down with goes a couple of times a year. I'd go in a minute if I could get away.
 
Since 2007 I have been down there three times by motorcycle. We go to the Copper Canyon area and other back-country areas, staying out of tourist areas, and moving away from the border as quickly as possible. It is the best cheap vacation I can imagine, two weeks for under $1000.00.

Haven't been able to go for the last three years, but the group I ride down with goes a couple of times a year. I'd go in a minute if I could get away.
I know a guy here in Albuquerque who did exactly that earlier in the year. He and his buddy crossed the border gassed up and smoked South away from the border. They also went to Copper Canyon.
 
I only speak about the areas I know.

Any border has the worst of both nations in my estimation, it's the nature of the beast. I consider the Mexican people my kinfolks. The border cities on the Mexico side of Texas/Mexico are dangerous. The interior cities are dangerous too, like U.S. cities are dangerous.

The Baja is beautiful, the people are wonderful and I consider it very safe (long as you stay out of those hundred mile an hour off road trucks). LEO in Baja Sur are O.K. by me.

Mayan Riviera is fine, that trouble down there is Gulf Cartel and pretty specific targets.
Monterrey and Zacatecas is risky even in daylight. People are desperate.

West coast is bandit country, the sticks of Sonora, Michoacan,and all the way south is Indian country and there's people there who rob for a living, and they do not fear law enforcement,because there isn't any.

We have a saying "If a crime is committed in Mexico, the chances are good that the police are already there."

I have some good friends in different state police forces, but they are jammed up by a system of cleptocracy.
 
I'm there everyday. I wake up there. I go to sleep there. I never get away from it. It doesn't particularly bother me, but then again, I'm always on guard. I never go near the border. It's dangerous there. It's pretty safe here, but that doesn't mean it's safe enough to be real dumb either because there seem to be more and more bad guys getting their nerve up since the Mexican Government basically lost the drug war a couple of years ago.

The weather's great though. It won't be long now and I'll be going to the range with my Heavy Duty (or the new 23 Outdoorsman I'm putting together on a 28 frame) in shirtsleeves while people farther north shovel snow.

But still, there's areas of the country I stay out of. Or only fly over. They brought their current problems on themselves. I guess we'll have to wait and see how they deal with it all, but right now, Mexico is less secure than it used to be -- no doubt about it from my point of view.

The weather's great though, did I mention?
 
Most commenters here are chivalas..........just kidding. Although I don't get down anymore, but we used to go down there fairly often. Only a couple times had issues with the local federalis, typically would get into brawls with the Navy dudes on leave from San Diego that felt like getting there *** handed to them, did this on numerous occasions. Them guys always would start things when they had numbers, but many learned lessons the hard way. It became fairly fun after awhile, we only had our *** handed to us on couple occasions. After a few of us learned to stick close, and you thumped of couple studs after taking there best they would go away fairly quickly.

Su Amigo,
Juan
 
Used to go to Juarez all the time. Been down dark alleys, half drunk, wearing gringo clothes, that I wouldnt go in daytime when I saw them. Never had any trouble. Most weekends we'd go over to Juarez for dinner and a few drinks. Had great times there.

No longer. Haven't been across the Rio in 10 years. OK to go for dinner if you have an unusual appetite for AK 47 bullets. I think it would be OK if you went to Cozumel, Cancun or one of those places, but not along the border.
 
Back in the '70s I spent a lot of time in TJ, Ensenda and the coast in between. We surfed during the day and drank most of the night. Cinco de Mayo in Ensenda was wild, with the boat race guys mixing with the partiers. I remember when Cabo was just an out of the way fishing village. I have some good stories from that time. ;)

But that was then and this is now. I wouldn't have any interest in going TJ or Ensenada today. And Acapulco has developed a large cartel presence. Acapulco is definitely off my travel list today. I'm pretty selective where I go. It was risky enough then. It can be just plain dangerous today.

Cabo has turned into a resort that seems to me to be about as safe as anywhere in Ol' Mexico. Cozumel is beautiful and has minimal crime. I was in Puerto Vallarta last year and didn't see any changes or problems there. But the bottom line is I'm pretty cautious when I'm anywhere in Mexico today. It ain't like it used to be.
 
I have been vacationing in the Cancun/ Puerto Morelos/ Playa del Carmen area, yearly since '95..I go down in the winter months to warm up my bones...Always stay at a all Inclusive and seldom if ever leave the resort..
TJ and other border towns don't appeal to me...I went to TJ once in '68 while in the Marines..That's a whole different story..;)
 
No I don't think I would care to go back there now, never developed a taste for lead, of course I don't think I want to go to Detroit either! Back in the day we would go to Juarez and have a great time, give some kid 5 bucks to watch your car and he would be sitting on the hood when you came back and everything in place. Very polite, appreciative people back then. The cartels have ruined that country in my opinion. Times they are a changing.
 
I should point out that if someone does want to pop down for a visit, San Miguel is quite safe. Lots of nice houses to rent, as well as hotels as well as our spare guest room (which has no cost to it). When friends fly down to visit -- either from Canada or the U.S. -- I try to set it up so that I can meet them at the airport and later take them back.

One time, something came up and I could not go so I sent a couple of Mexican friends to make sure my guest got in okay and it lead pretty much to a scene out of Star Trek's "A Piece of the Action". It went something like this:

Friend from Canada, seeing a sign with his name on it: "Uh, yes, I'm Mr. Lawson."

Marco Antonio: "We are here to pick you up and put you on the bus to San Miguel."

Friend from Canada: "But I'm supposed to be meeting an old friend from Canada here. He said..."

Marco Antonio: "We know what he said, Bub. He said a couple of the boys would meet you. Well, we're meeting you."

However, I try to avoid those instances and proper prior planning prevent poor performance in this area. We have a great club down here, a lot of S&W fans and as I mentioned the weather is great. If someone ever does have a mind to come down, we'll keep you safe.
 
Years ago I had a pair of friends, bonnie and frank. They were in Tijuana looking at something in a store window. There was another american couple looking too. Bonnie turned around and elbowed the woman in the short ribs and the woman let out a scream, Yaaaa I been stabbed, I been stabbed!!
 
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We have gone down a few times never any problems. That said we have no desire to go back now.
 
I'm there everyday. I wake up there. I go to sleep there. I never get away from it. It doesn't particularly bother me, but then again, I'm always on guard. I never go near the border. It's dangerous there. It's pretty safe here, but that doesn't mean it's safe enough to be real dumb either because there seem to be more and more bad guys getting their nerve up since the Mexican Government basically lost the drug war a couple of years ago.

The weather's great though. It won't be long now and I'll be going to the range with my Heavy Duty (or the new 23 Outdoorsman I'm putting together on a 28 frame) in shirtsleeves while people farther north shovel
But still, there's areas of the country I stay out of. Or only fly over. They brought their current problems on themselves. I guess we'll have to wait and see how they deal with it all, but right now, Mexico is less secure than it used to be -- no doubt about it from my point of view.

The weather's great though, did I mention?
How bout some info on guns in Mexico? I have always been told not to take them there and I haven't. A few years ago my brother went down on a dove shoot. They were told to bring 12 and 20 gauges and no shells. The ranch furnished what turned out to be Mexican Remngton pretty dirty shooting shells.
 
How bout some info on guns in Mexico? I have always been told not to take them there and I haven't. A few years ago my brother went down on a dove shoot. They were told to bring 12 and 20 gauges and no shells. The ranch furnished what turned out to be Mexican Remngton pretty dirty shooting shells.

I've written quite a bit about guns in Mexico. Anything I don't write about is because people who don't have the "need to know" would learn things they don't need to know. Common things Mexican Authorities -- or pretty much anyone who might be titled "authority" don't need to know are like:

1. Where do primers come from? (The Stork)
2. How does powder get to Mexico? (the answer is "Blowin' in the Wind")
3. How do components get to Mexico? (illegal immigrants coming up from Guatemala bring them in their pockets)

and stuff like that. I think the biggest single thread I remember where I discussed Mexican gunlaws was a back-and-forth between myself and Pasifikawv. It's this one here:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge...col.html?highlight=International+Law+Protocol

Remember that most laws relating to guns and Mexico have nothing to do with your security, or mine, or the security of "the people". It's all about control, as in "if we're really going to be as bad at governing as we are we need a disarmed populace or we won't stay in control."

Cheers!
Cal
 
If you bring guns or ammunition into Mexico you're going to see the inside of a Mexican jail for a long time, and I guarantee you won't like the experience.

ADDED TO SAY: I had a friend who used to go dove hunting a lot in Mexico. He had the apropriate Mexican paperwork for his shotgun and ammo, and never had any trouble. The US authorities never gave him any trouble either. He had a party each November, where he'd serve fried dove breasts; yummy. That was in the 1970s, both the US and Mexico have become a lot more paranoid about guns. He used to go into the Valley of Juarez, now a prime drug running area. There's even a radar set up just off I-10 to monitor movement. I wouldn't go into that area unless I had a platoon of the 82nd Airborne behind me.
 
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Looked at the thread. Confusing like most Mexico explanations are!
My question is more along the line of how did you get- buy-import- obtain a legal revolver in Mexico?
 
Three ways:
1. Buy it from the Army store, jumping through all the hoops they make you jump through and accepting the limited stock of decent revolvers they might have. If they are out of stock when you are suddenly approved to buy, that's your problem. Apply again, jump through more hoops...

2. Buy it on the black market. Then go register it at your local Army base. If it's not a "prohibited weapon" (over .38 Special or .380 acp in caliber) there should be no problem other than just a few hoops to jump through.

3. Buy it from someone who already has registered it and is selling it. Good luck with that, though. If it's any sort of decent revolver or firearm and it's already registered you will pay through the nose for it. Buying a "registered gun" just means changing the paperwork, and you don't need to take the gun in to the authorities. A Glock 25 from the Army Store costs about 8,500.00 pesos, or about 680.00 dollars. Buying one that is already registered costs somewhere around 18,000.00 pesos (around 1,450.00 dolloars) and it's surprising how many people pay it because they want to avoid the potentially extreme hassles one can run into dealing with the Army Store.

Here's the true scoop: if your Spanish is good and you are patient, you'll be fine but you will jump through hoops. If your Spanish is not good, then find a friend who speaks fluent Spanish and get his help, and you'll still be okay. Otherwise, be patient, smile a lot and hope for the best. Being rude, uppity or lippin' off to the Mexican Army would be a bad move. I can think of dumber things to do, but they're all suicidal.

Our Club charges people a fee to help them through this nightmare and if a prospective member is actually joining the club and going to help the club out then the fee is pretty small. The general rule of thumb is: "if the person is asking what they can do for the Club, they're fine. If they're asking what the Club is going to do for them, they're on their own."

Can you bring down a revolver from the U.S. or Canada? Practically speaking, "no". Have I done it? I refuse to comment. Do I know people who have done it? Yes, but I refuse to comment. To put it bluntly it would cost you more than most revolvers are worth and the people you will have to deal with to get this done are perhaps not people you'll want to deal with. Discussing people like this, let me assure you nobody will "middleman" that for you except for even more money -- and then if they like what you're importing it will be stolen anyway and you'll be out the cash.

But there's lots of good older stuff down here. Until 1972 there was no draconian gun-law in Mexico. Anything that was here before 1972 is probably still here. There's lots of nice 27's and 28's being used to make "Model 23's" out of. I even saw one done up from what was once a Model 24 I think because it had the pinched frame with no top-strap checkering but top-strap grooving.

I hope this answers your question. Getting solid answers to simple questions in Mexico is difficult because often the true answer is: "it depends."

It depends on who you know, who you are, where you are, why you want to, and who owes you a favor. Money is involved as well, but with the right connections the money is always less. Without the right connections the money is always more and in no way a guarantee in any case. Mexico does not move in black and white, Mexico moves in shades of color as well as darker shades of grey.

Years ago, back in Canada, sitting on the tarmac waiting for the plane to take us up so we could jump out of it, a young fellow doing his first jump asked me if his parachute would open. "Of course it will," I told him. "Besides, what are you worried about? I'm older than you and I'm going up. Go back to your group, you'll be fine."

He smiled and walked back to his group. A friend sitting beside me with his own parachute on said quietly when the young man was out of earshot: "Unless, of course, it doesn't open."

We all chuckled. But when he jumped it did open, and he was fine. But Mexico is like that. People who don't like that sort of constant uncertainty usually don't like living here despite the weather.
 
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