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Been around since the buck and ball loads of the Revolutionary era. Simple fact is that under stress, on target hits go down. As well, the vast majority of people who need a firearm for HD/SD are not enthusiasts but everyday people who need a firearm for HD/SD. This sort of load offers a higher hit probability that will offer an advantage to such persons. It is not the sort of ammunition one would want to carry to Camp Perry. But, a SD/HD situation is not Camp Perry. In such a situation as that, at hard off the muzzle to across the room distances, this ammunition has real utility.
 
palmettostate1 said:
Oh Joy! More useless wind from the "anis".
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Okay I guess I'll go into better detail why i think this is a poor self defense load.

With the .45 ACP version of this load, each of the three fragments weighs around 40gr or the same as your common 22lr load. The load is most likely light for caliber (total weight with 3 segments and core,) but the manufacture does not post any specs on its total weight or projectile velocities as of yet. Because of the light weight of the projectiles your penetration will more than likely be less than what is widely accepted as ideal (12"-18" per FBI testing.) You have a projective that is light, oddly shaped, with a string attached to it and expect to be able to penetrate bone and flesh in order to hit a vital organ.

Secondly the range test done by Tim from MAC showed that the projectiles didn't consistently spread over the targets. Which, like he mentioned, would indicate that either the projective are oscillating or there is just an inherent inconsistency in the performance of the load. I would suspect the oscillation is a more likely scenario.

Third, $5 a round. For $5 a round it had better be Mjolnir that will crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
 
brucev said:
Been around since the buck and ball loads of the Revolutionary era. Simple fact is that under stress, on target hits go down. As well, the vast majority of people who need a firearm for HD/SD are not enthusiasts but everyday people who need a firearm for HD/SD. This sort of load offers a higher hit probability that will offer an advantage to such persons. It is not the sort of ammunition one would want to carry to Camp Perry. But, a SD/HD situation is not Camp Perry. In such a situation as that, at hard off the muzzle to across the room distances, this ammunition has real utility.
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Finally (based on some comments in another thread too), the sense of reason prevails. I tend to agree with you. I can probably shoot with 80% of the folks on this forum when it comes to "target shooting", but at the end of the day, I've been fortunate enough to have never been in a true "life or death" situation.

Anything that gives me a tactical advantage in such a situation, is priceless and invaluable to me. I don't give a flip if it's $100/round if it works when I need it most. As you inferred, I ain't shootin' this at the range to begin with.

I can bow up with the best of you, but I'm man enough to say that I'll pay for an advantage in a gun fight where my life is on the line, and I don't care how good of a shot I am.
 
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Roldanis said:
Okay I guess I'll go into better detail why i think this is a poor self defense load.

With the .45 ACP version of this load, each of the three fragments weighs around 40gr or the same as your common 22lr load. The load is most likely light for caliber (total weight with 3 segments and core,) but the manufacture does not post any specs on its total weight or projectile velocities as of yet. Because of the light weight of the projectiles your penetration will more than likely be less than what is widely accepted as ideal (12"-18" per FBI testing.) You have a projective that is light, oddly shaped, with a string attached to it and expect to be able to penetrate bone and flesh in order to hit a vital organ.

Secondly the range test done by Tim from MAC showed that the projectiles didn't consistently spread over the targets. Which, like he mentioned, would indicate that either the projective are oscillating or there is just an inherent inconsistency in the performance of the load. I would suspect the oscillation is a more likely scenario.

Third, $5 a round. For $5 a round it had better be Mjolnir that will crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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I think you should read the propaganda again. Granted, it may not be true, and if it isn't, they won't be in business long. I sincerely doubt anyone has invested this kind of money to sell snake oil. I know I wouldn't.

I made a similar comment about .22LR to a friend of mine once who has been an FFL since long before it was cool and has everything known to man and he told me, and I quote, "You start pokin' 1/4 inch holes in somebody, they're gonna stop doin' whatever it was they were doin' to you." Endquote. Enough on the fragment thing.
 
No velocity or bullet weight info given. The ad states a "typical medical response-DOA." Really?

This is picky but the short form of Gelatin, as in Ballistic Gelatin, is "Gel." Their ads refer to penetration in "Jell" in several places. I'd think true ballisticians would know better. But hey, maybe they are using Jello for their tests.

This ammo might have "real utility" IF IT WORKS. But how do we know that? All we've got is a poorly done website with undocumented claims and no technical data.
 
moxie said:
No velocity or bullet weight info given. The ad states a "typical medical response-DOA." Really?

This is picky but the short form of Gelatin, as in Ballistic Gelatin, is "Gel." Their ads refer to penetration in "Jell" in several places. I'd think true ballisticians would know better. But hey, maybe they are using Jello for their tests.

This ammo might have "real utility" IF IT WORKS. But how do we know that? All we've got is a poorly done website with undocumented claims and no technical data.
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All that information is readily available at the manufacturer's site. Granted, it is not covered at the link I originally posted.
 
OK, I'll play.

I studied the disorganized and poorly written website. I couldn't see any velocity info. Nor could I see any bullet weight info. It talks about a 230 gr. bullet divided by 3, etc. Nice math lesson. But without bullet material info it's meaningless. And the weight of the tether is a factor. There just isn't enough info to go on.

But, if you assume that each of 3 segments, or bullet pieces, is made of lead or similar weight material, and being driven initially at ~ 800fps or so, you've got 3 ~75 gr. bullets each with maybe the oomph of a .32 Auto. Not my idea of a great stopper. They also will bleed off velocity fairly quickly because of the inefficient total shape and the tether.

The concept used is actually pretty old. Chain-shot and bolo-shot have been around forever. I noted a plethora of neat trademarked terms on the website but no patent or patent pending info.
 
moxie said:
But, if you assume that each of 3 segments, or bullet pieces, is made of lead or similar weight material, and being driven initially at ~ 800fps or so, you've got 3 ~75 gr. bullets each with maybe the oomph of a .32 Auto.
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The Bang Switch link I posted did weigh the segments at 40gr each. I'd imagine the total weight for this is under 200gr which could give it more velocity, but who knows how much powder is used and like you pointed out, that info is no where to be found.
 
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moxie said:
OK, I'll play.

I studied the disorganized and poorly written website. I couldn't see any velocity info. Nor could I see any bullet weight info. It talks about a 230 gr. bullet divided by 3, etc. Nice math lesson. But without bullet material info it's meaningless. And the weight of the tether is a factor. There just isn't enough info to go on.

But, if you assume that each of 3 segments, or bullet pieces, is made of lead or similar weight material, and being driven initially at ~ 800fps or so, you've got 3 ~75 gr. bullets each with maybe the oomph of a .32 Auto. Not my idea of a great stopper. They also will bleed off velocity fairly quickly because of the inefficient total shape and the tether.

The concept used is actually pretty old. Chain-shot and bolo-shot have been around forever. I noted a plethora of neat trademarked terms on the website but no patent or patent pending info.
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I'm not sure what site you're looking at but all the information you say isn't there is right there in black and white at Multiple Impact Bullet Technology . Actually, and I happen to be an IT professional (30 years and helped invent the modern PC arena as we now know it); I think the site is very well done, thorough, and to the point. No waste. No BS.

I am in no way affiliated with or have any interest whatsoever in this company or its products. I just heard about it yesterday and posted it as an interesting find.

Carry on. I'll buy some for myself and experiment with it. I was going to do that anyway.
 
Gee, all the money the other ammo makers waste on engineering hollowpoints that don't fragment on impact. If they only knew.
 
Obviously, these guys will be bankrupt inside 6 months.

Thanks for all the information. That's why I asked here.

I'm outta here.
 
I wouldn't bet on them being bankrupt inside 6 months.
Specialty ammo is a good niche market.
There are a lot of people who will buy all kinds of specialty ammo.

I'd like to have some in 12 gauge and .45.
It would be fun to shoot into some ballistic jelly.
 
WilsonFlyer said:
I'm not sure what site you're looking at but all the information you say isn't there is right there in black and white at Multiple Impact Bullet Technology . Actually, and I happen to be an IT professional (30 years and helped invent the modern PC arena as we now know it); I think the site is very well done, thorough, and to the point. No waste. No BS.

I am in no way affiliated with or have any interest whatsoever in this company or its products. I just heard about it yesterday and posted it as an interesting find.

Carry on. I'll buy some for myself and experiment with it. I was going to do that anyway.
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Well, I looked again and still don't see the following:

1. Projectile weight for the .45acp round that's for sale.

2. Muzzle velocity for the same.

If you could just provide this info it would be very helpful. Thanks.
 
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