Military brass, crimped primers

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As part of my recent binge of reloading I discerned a need for a thousand or so 9X19 to keep the old Browning Hi Power happy. Among my horde of reloading stuff I found a few thousand 9mm cases which had been sitting around for several years.

That brass came to me from a guy who became very frustrated with his inability to run it through his Dillon progressive without problems. At that time I diagnosed his problem as being the crimped-in primers common to US military ammo, something us older guys dealt with all the time back in the 60's and 70's.

US military specs call for the primers to be crimped in place to lessen chances of stoppages in automatic weapons, which can be caused by the primers backing out of the pockets. After primer seating a crimping tool of annular shape is used to crimp metal around the primer pocket inward to secure the primers in place.

No problems for the reloader, but we have to know what we are dealing with and how to deal with it. It occurs to me that quite a few of our younger members may not have dealt with this issue, but are likely to encounter it if reloading military brass for the 9mm, 5.56mm, or 7.62NATO rounds.

In general, brass with crimped primers will process fairly normally, with routine sizing and depriming (although some reloading set-ups may experience damaged or broken decapping pins because of the increased force needed to de-prime these cases). But when the priming stage comes along the reloader is going to find it impossible to seat a new primer, with the usual result being crushed primers, and total stoppages of progressive presses can result.

The cure is to remove the primer crimp. This can be accomplished in two ways:

1. A primer pocket swaging tool can be used (RCBS, Lyman, others). This will swage the metal of the crimp and reshape the primer pocket mouth to a smooth radius to permit easy seating of new primers.

2. A primer pocket reaming tool can be used (also offered by many makers). These tools fit into the primer pocket and cut away the crimped metal to leave a smooth radius. Both hand-driven and powered tools are available.

I have always used the reaming tools, and have both small and large primer sizes on hand. These have served me well for decades of use with .30-06, .308, .38 Spl, occasionally .45ACP, and now the 9mm. Removing crimped primers by hand takes about an hour per 150 rounds.

Photos show a couple of fired cases with primers (note the cratered and extruded metal around the firing pin strikes, indicative of the high pressures of NATO-spec 9X19), then 3 cases being process (two deprimed and showing the crimped metal, one showing the reamed removal of crimp ring), and one shows a reprimed military case alongside a reprimed commercial 9X19 for comparison of results).
 

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As part of my recent binge of reloading I discerned a need for a thousand or so 9X19 to keep the old Browning Hi Power happy. Among my horde of reloading stuff I found a few thousand 9mm cases which had been sitting around for several years.

That brass came to me from a guy who became very frustrated with his inability to run it through his Dillon progressive without problems. At that time I diagnosed his problem as being the crimped-in primers common to US military ammo, something us older guys dealt with all the time back in the 60's and 70's.

US military specs call for the primers to be crimped in place to lessen chances of stoppages in automatic weapons, which can be caused by the primers backing out of the pockets. After primer seating a crimping tool of annular shape is used to crimp metal around the primer pocket inward to secure the primers in place.

No problems for the reloader, but we have to know what we are dealing with and how to deal with it. It occurs to me that quite a few of our younger members may not have dealt with this issue, but are likely to encounter it if reloading military brass for the 9mm, 5.56mm, or 7.62NATO rounds.

In general, brass with crimped primers will process fairly normally, with routine sizing and depriming (although some reloading set-ups may experience damaged or broken decapping pins because of the increased force needed to de-prime these cases). But when the priming stage comes along the reloader is going to find it impossible to seat a new primer, with the usual result being crushed primers, and total stoppages of progressive presses can result.

The cure is to remove the primer crimp. This can be accomplished in two ways:

1. A primer pocket swaging tool can be used (RCBS, Lyman, others). This will swage the metal of the crimp and reshape the primer pocket mouth to a smooth radius to permit easy seating of new primers.

2. A primer pocket reaming tool can be used (also offered by many makers). These tools fit into the primer pocket and cut away the crimped metal to leave a smooth radius. Both hand-driven and powered tools are available.

I have always used the reaming tools, and have both small and large primer sizes on hand. These have served me well for decades of use with .30-06, .308, .38 Spl, occasionally .45ACP, and now the 9mm. Removing crimped primers by hand takes about an hour per 150 rounds.

Photos show a couple of fired cases with primers (note the cratered and extruded metal around the firing pin strikes, indicative of the high pressures of NATO-spec 9X19), then 3 cases being process (two deprimed and showing the crimped metal, one showing the reamed removal of crimp ring), and one shows a reprimed military case alongside a reprimed commercial 9X19 for comparison of results).

Some rounds I find are crimped not even military, some look like they were Loctited in place I use my lee chamfer tool and have good results
 
I use the RCBS reamer to remove the crimp. Chucked up in a cordless drill it's really fast and the design would require you to get really stupid to screw up because it will only go so deep. Here's the one I use:
Straight Cone Military Crimp Remover Small by RCBS RELOADING PRODUCTS

I reload a lot of mil spec 5.56 brass and it does the trick. I recently bought some once fired 40S&W brass and there were quite a few Federal NT brass mixed in which has a crimped primer. I sorted through them the best I could but still occasionally run into one I missed. I keep the reamer close by and can quickly fix one that slipped through.
 
Our pistol club bought a Dillon Super Swage about 15+ years ago, and any member can check it out and use it. I recently did 500 5.56/223 which got loaded. It makes a tedious job much easier. If you're going to use a fair amount of Military brass, I'd recommend one.

(FYI, just had Lobo gun leather build me a cell phone case, and they did a beautiful job. Probably could have used a little thinner leather. This one will last forever).
 
Brass with a the WCC headstamp is a common 9mm with a crimp. If you find other brands check with a magnet as they may also be steel case brass coated.

SB brass has a tight none beveled pocket but it is not crimped.

For the few I run across in 9mm I ditch them. Not worth the decrimping process as 9mm are like weeds around here.
 
I have both Lyman reamers (wooden handle) and an RCBS primer pocket swage set. I prefer using a reamer. You can watch TV while you use it. About as quick as swaging. Nice thing about either reaming or swaging is that it need be done only once.
 
I use the Lyman primer pocket reamer chucked in a slow turning drill. Way cheaper than a swage tool and it's fast and easy.
 
On a recent trip to a large outdoor range I found 250 once fired 38spl brass cases on the ground next to my lane's bench.

There was exactly 50 of 5 different brands,Blazer,Federal,Remington,Winchester and PMC.

Decapping some of the PMC cases left the wall of the primers stuck against the wall of the primer pocket.The decapping pin only removed the top of the primer where struck by the firing pin.

I had no remedy or patience to ream them so they went in the scrap brass box.

I think the PMC crimp was excessive?
 
I recently sprung for the Lyman Case Prep Express. 5 turning points that do everything I need to solve the primer pocket problem.
Im glad I did.
Jim
 
What do people think of the RCBS primer pocket swaging die/set? I currently use a tool - I honestly don't know where I got it or whether it's a reloading-specific tool or a general tool I have lieing around. (It has an angled surface with a cutting edge along the length. I put that in a drill and ream out pockets when necessary. The problem is that the result creates a pocket that can be primed, but they're REALLY tight.)

The RCBS primer pocket swaging die set looks like a good option. I don't want to have another item on my bench.

Thanks.

OR
 
My method is : 1.) to remove most of the crimp with small sharp pen knife blade. 2.) Use a chamfer tool (Lyman or Lee) to clean up the crimp. 3.) Use a Lyman Pocket Reaming Tool to finish removing the crimp and 4.) Use a Lyman Pocket Uniformer to finish the job.
All the press mounted swaging tools did an incomplete job and still had to be worked over with the reamers. I've heard the Dillion bench mounted tool does a proper job of completely swaging the crimp out , but I don't have one.
Gary
 
One of the real pain jobs in reloading,,but I'm glad I have little of it to do. Some 30-06 and 303Brit brass I use is surplus and needs the work over. I still use one of the Lyman pocket reamers. Getting tough to hang on to the case in the gimpy left hand so I hold on to a cluster of them instead and work them all over while in hand. Goes a little faster that way too I think.
I have an RCBS primer pocket swage that came to me in a large batch of reloading stuff deal. It seems to kinds work OK, but after a few rounds I just pick up the reamer and finish what I have.

No .223 reloading so I don't have that problem of feeding an ammo monster. I do reload 9mm but all the stuff I've reloaded has been commercial and so far no problems. I'd have to buy a small primer size reamer too. Don't have one,,the LR reamer I bought in the early 60's when I started reloading,,still works fine.
 
What do people think of the RCBS primer pocket swaging die/set? I currently use a tool - I honestly don't know where I got it or whether it's a reloading-specific tool or a general tool I have lieing around. (It has an angled surface with a cutting edge along the length. I put that in a drill and ream out pockets when necessary. The problem is that the result creates a pocket that can be primed, but they're REALLY tight.)

The RCBS primer pocket swaging die set looks like a good option. I don't want to have another item on my bench.

Otis, I tried the RCBS swager die set and was not happy with it. It moves the crimp, not removes it. Problems I had is with some brass being staked,as well as crimped,and swageing did not solve that problem. The other problem is that sometimes the swageing would leave hard to spot shavings in the primer pocket. Somehow they managed to jam up my primer feed in my older RCBS Rock Chucker.
Now that I grabbed the Lyman Case Prep center I have solved all of the priming problems. It decrimps, uniforms primer seating depth, cleans out the primer pocket and deburs the id and od of the case mouths of cases that need trimming.
I now actually look forward to the whole case prep operation.
Jim
 
I have just about all the case crimp tools out there. But do prefer the ones that ream the primer pocket. Wilson sells the reamers that fit on their case trimming tool and does a fine job. Used the RCBS swaging tool once. Was too inconsistent in removing the crimp. For those of you that shoot 7.62nato and 30-06 look for the match and national match cases no primer crimps and excellent brass. Frank
 
I am having problems with some 9mm military brass.

Frustrating, I got a Hornady pocket reamer. Thought all was well.

Last couple of days finding another problem. Using Federal SPP I prepped the pockets with the tool. Primer starts, need extra force, but won't seat properly. The primer sits high. Not sure what to do.

Try another tool or toss the military brass.
 
Otis, I tried the RCBS swager die set and was not happy with it. It moves the crimp, not removes it. Problems I had is with some brass being staked,as well as crimped,and swageing did not solve that problem.

A bit of a zombie thread, but I'll second this comment. I have about an 80% success rate with the RCBS swager set. Did a thousand 5.56 cases and ended up reaming the lot of them after crushing a few primers.

I just avoid crimped primer brass all together now.
 
I've gone to using one brand of commercial brass and no longer deal with crimped prier pockets. However, I used the RCBS tool for years and it works fine. Most, maybe all who complain about it don't take the time to get it adjusted perfectly. Takes some trial-and-error work, but once set, you never have to mess with it again. A "close" but not perfect setting will work much of the time, maybe 80%, and that's where the complaints come from.

Swaging will actually remove the crimp without danger of enlarging the primer pocket. Reaming will work if done very carefully, but involves cutting and the possibility of removing too much metal, ruining the primer pocket.
 
crimped prmers

When I started reloading while at Wheelus Field, Lybia, I had no reloading tools. I cut the primer crimp with a pocket knife, had a board with a hole in it and a nail to remove the primer, another board that after I started the primer I would put the 9mm case in a hole and use a dowel and force the primer in. Had a homemade powder scoop, a trimmed 9mm case with a wire soldered on for a handle. Never resized the case. Needless to say I was a little naive, but it worked for my Luger. Finally Found and joined the Rod and Gun Club and started to use their reloading equipment. This was the dark ages, "62-'64.
SWCA 892
 
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