Misconceptions about .38 J Frames for women

[Cal44]

I have been interested in the LCR .327 for the exact reason you say here. I am just worried that the ammo will all be gone a few years from now. From my perspective, the .327 Mag does not seem to have caught on as much as Ruger would have liked when they chambered the LCR for it. It is an interesting round, however and I would love to shoot one one day.

I have an LCR 327 and it's my most frequently carried gun.

I like the fact it's a 6 shooter. I have been carrying 327 Federal Hydra shok in it. That's a fairly low recoil round a little above 38 Special +P.

An LCR 327 might be a good choice for your girlfriend -- at least it's worth showing her one at a gun shop. And finding one to test fire at a range -- although that might be hard to find.

The trigger is a little easier that a typical J frame.

And you can load it with 32 S&W Long or 32 H&R Magnum and have a low recoil load.

Then as she gets more confidence, she can move up to the various 327 Federal SD loads -- or just stick with 32 Mag.

I think Ruger is doing well with 327 Federal and don't think there will be a problem with ammo companies abandoning the round any time soon.

 

[WheelGunMagic]

I'm a woman with a CCW - I carry a 60 Pro or 640 Pro AIWB every time I leave the house. The few times my wardrobe won't allow for on body carry, I purse carry.

As a long time revolver shooter, carrying J frames was a simple choice. I shoot pistols also and racking the slide is not a problem. I obviously can't speak for your significant others, but for me, I love the simplicity of the revolver. The long, hard trigger pull is not an issue - I consider it an added safety feature.

In my opinion, a person (man or woman) should practice enough with their carry gun to become & stay proficient with it. Not just at 10 feet, but at 30 feet & beyond. To me, that takes the light weight guns out of consideration. My 640 Pro is probably as light as I would want to shoot. The extra 6 - 8 ounces on my belt are not noticeable, but you can bet I would notice the lack of those same ounces when on the range.

Starting a new shooter, whether man or woman, on a 617 or 686 is a great idea. Once they have the basics down, they should be encouraged to try as many makes and models as possible (yes that includes semi-autos). Somewhere along the line, I would have them try one of the light weight guns, so they know what they would be dealing with if they decide to carry one.

A woman should always chose her own carry gun. She needs to be able to envision how it will fit into her wardrobe and lifestyle.

Just my two cents....

 

[josywales]

I never really understood "women's" gun. Aside from possibly smaller hands, there really shouldn't be much difference. And some guys have small hands as well, so...

The first revolver I handed my wife, who has smaller hands than me, was a Ruger SP101 3". At 15 yards, she could fill your hand with 5 rounds, DA. SA wasn't much of an option, due to lack of strength, and I might argue technique, to cock the hammer. In hindsight, I should/need to reintroduce her to revolvers. I'm not a fan of the Shield she has. More importantly, I don't believe she's that comfortable with it.

My niece, who was in the police academy at the time, is 5 foot nothing, 100 and nothing. She was shooting through various guns I'd laid out for her. When she got to my full size 1911, it was love at first shot. Sadly, her department didn't feel the same ; )

 

[Paper Clip]

I've read a few posts which share my opinions on the matter (Posts 9, 11, 12, and others). I'm concerned about the initial post with "convincing" someone to get a CCW. For many people, male or female, getting a CCW is a big/major decision right there.

At this point, it may be enough to stop right there.

Depending on the state or locale, it may or may not be necessary to commit to a specific make/model/caliber. Choosing a specific carry-gun just adds to a person's time-money-stress. If a commitment to a specific handgun doesn't need to be selected up-front, then don't go there, yet.

If a specific handgun does need to be selected, perhaps just initially use something to pass any required qualification course. Some locales may have minimum caliber requirements, too.

The situation in this thread seems to be different from a female significant other who says, "I'm interested in guns, too. Help me get my CCW as it's something I decided I want. Secondly, I'm open to revolvers, semiautos, or both (some folks will already want a specific type and brand), and want to be as proficient as possible with this huge commitment, responsibility, and lifestyle change."

I'm wondering if the female is just saying yes to getting the CCW to avoid or end the discussion.

My only response to this comment is this: I am by no means forcing my girlfriend to carry a gun. I too believe that doing that is wrong. However, I do tell her that I think she should think about it. Why? Because I love her, and it is important to me that she have some sort of protection at all times. Where we live and spend much of our time, the police response time is somewhere around 30-45 minutes. There is also a new neighbor who has made it clear that he may be a danger. That is all of the detail I will go into on that.

I don't think I put enough emphasis on the fact that she is going to be choosing her carry gun. She is going to shoot ALL of my guns, autos and revolvers, big and tiny. Whatever gun she decides she wants. I will pay for it. If she wants to switch later, I will pay for that one too. I am not trying to force her into a J frame, but I don't see anything wrong with a woman carrying a J frame, especially a woman who WANTS protection, but is not interested in learning the details of operating an auto. The original post was more in response to the online reviews and articles that say that women should never carry a j frame. I am not saying that I am forcing my girlfriend to carry one, I just don't think that it should be discouraged any more than any other gun.

 

[muddocktor]

My wife is 4' 9" and weighs around 100 lbs, so you know that she is small and small framed. But after trying out various semi auto pistols on her, I (and she) found that a 3" barrel model 60 shooting 38 Special +P rounds is perfect for her. A revolver doesn't care if you limp wrist and she has no problems opening the cylinder or loading new rounds in the cylinder and she hits the target with it in single or double action at 7 yards. I tried various 9 MM pistols and she had problems racking the slide and the only semi auto pistol I have that she shoots halfway decently without having extraction problems from limp wristing is an old Husqvarna m/1907, which is a license built version of the FN M1903 that was modified to shoot .380 ACP by installing a bushing in the chamber. I don't consider the .380 ACP to be a real good home defense round and that gun wasn't originally set up for that cartridge, but rather the 9 MM Browning Long and you sometimes get some failures to eject with .380 ACP. With the model 60, she knows how to load it and shoot it so for her it is a much better choice for the house for self defense.

 

[DocB]

The "limp wrist" thing is a very important consideration. When my grandkids were small (around 5 years old), I would let them shoot my Glock out behind their house. Never had to worry about "safety" after the first shot was fired because the gun was sure not going to fire again. That's a big safety feature when it comes to semi-autos. . .they all become single shots.

 

[Old cop]

The best way to help a woman who is a new shooter and considering ccw is to find a range that rents guns. Have her try out several then pick what works for her. If that's not an option then she will have to try out what you have on hand and go from there. When we would have a lady cop going into an undercover assignment we would provide her w/a J frame, and training b/c the J was much different than the issued 4" K frame. Most had a hard time qualifying w/the J and had to try more than once. I only carried a J as a back-up to my K frame service gun and never as a primary weapon while on the job. A J frame in retirement is different.

 

[Mister X]

There is a huge chasm between shooting/being a "shooter" and armed personal defense. A lot of gun-centric folks talk about new shooters or the sport of shooting, but what most of these individuals practice and promote has very little in common with what is actually needed for self-defense. Add in the majority of instructors are/were competitive shooters or active/former military/law enforcement who view everything through that prism, it's easy to see why there is a disconnect. The J-frame is a really bad choice for many things, but civilian personal defense is definitely not one of them.

 

[JH1951]

I have observed little difference between men and women when it comes to carrying a firearm. We all have our differences as well as preferences, and that should determine what is carried.
What I have noticed is that it seems fewer women carry a firearm. I have met many women that have been turned off by small light handguns that are packing a whollop to the wrist. Heck, I do not enjoy that either. If a man or woman carries, IMHO they should be proficient with their carry piece and well versed in firearm safety. If they are not, it is unlikely a firearm will provide much protection, and could actually become somewhat of a hazard. That takes more than one or two trips to the range. So, why make it a painful process? Get something that is comfortable to use and get good with. My wife tried a bunch and has a preference for a K-frame. She does not like my J-frames (too small), nor does she have any desire to carry a shorty 1911 (too big), but the K-frames "fit" (just right). .38 Spl. is her choice of caliber - she worked up from .22 LR. The whole ordeal is not an overnight process, and if things are forced, it makes it a unwelcome ordeal that never really works.
In my opinion it is not wise to 'convince' someone to carry. Simply point out that it is their right to do so (in many places), and if they are interested, they will pursue the issue. Making your own informed decisions about what and how to carry also goes quite a long way in the process of "making it work". None of us seem to like to be told what is best for us on this topic, do we?

 

[hittman77]

Seems to me lotsa men want their wife/girlfriend to carry a gun much more than the wife/girlfriend wants to carry a gun.

If she shoots, takes a class and gets her carry permit just for you there's nothing gained except someone now carries a gun who doesn't want to and won't or can't or has no intention of using it.

I would no more suggest a type or style or caliber of gun for my wife than I would tell her what bra to buy. It's a pretty personal decision.

 

[Jerry in SC]

My wife learned to shoot using a Colt's Police Positive, she was more than capable enough at 7 yards. She has no issue shooting a steel J or K frame in .38 Special. She has never been comfortable with semi-autos of any kind.

 

[washerman]

I have a 431PD which chambers 32 long and 32 H@R mags. Wife really likes to shoot 32 longs. Very manageable for her. I won't however let her have it! Yes ...I know....I'm still not gonna part with it.....She will be getting a Charter Arms of her own soon chambered in 32 H@R mag so she can shoot the 32 long ammo.. I have 3 other Charter revolvers and i like them a lot....Yes i know - i know.....She still ain't gettin the 431PD so get over it! Thats what i told her too.

 

[Firesticks]

J frames for ladies are fine but in my observation an airweight is not. And all steel j frame with standard target wadcutters and practice will work. Just because you can pull a trigger and hang on to the thing does NOT make it a good defense weapon. The fact is some skill and experience is needed to be proficient with a J frame revolver and even MORE SO with the airweight designs. The idea is to HIT what your aiming at and not to scare em to death with a loud bang. Yes there are exceptions and many women have experience and can shoot them but the majority DON'T and it makes a very poor choice until such time they do possess the skills. Hell that even goes for many guys.

 

[hkcavalier]

Seems to me lotsa men want their wife/girlfriend to carry a gun much more than the wife/girlfriend wants to carry a gun.

My wife didn't see the point until she started to meet buyers for either of her side businesses. While they tended to be nice middle-aged women like her, some were not, and being armed became SOP.

I let her shoot anything she wanted of mine and a few shootin' buddies and pick for herself. She ended up with a 1911 and a safety-equipped Shield. Grip and having a manual safety played into both choices. She couldn't care less about wheelguns so I'm trying to fix that with our progeny

 

[Echo40]

I don't believe in babying women, seen enough of them at their best and worst to have a good idea of what they're capable of, plus women are all about equality these days, so I wouldn't presume to tell them what to carry any more than I would a man. (i.e. Not at all.)

So when my very own mother asked for my advice on a firearm, I asked first what she wanted... She was looking for a sort of all-purpose firearm which could be used for EDC, Home Defense, powerful enough to drop a Black Bear if necessary, and not too expensive. Based on her criteria, I suggested a Taurus 605 in .357 Magnum, showed her it, then on her birthday shortly afterwards, my brother and I took her to a gunshop to buy her it as a gift. She used to carry a Taurus TCP-738 in .380 ACP, so if she could handle .380 ACP out of a 12oz pocket pistol, (which I know for a fact that she's shot before with no trouble) then I have no doubt that she'd be able to handle .38 Special or even .357 Magnum out of a 24oz Revolver.

Personally, I feel that any man who truly cares for the wellbeing of a woman should be more concerned for her ability to adequately defend herself than her shooting comfort.

 

[Tom_R]

A J-Frame should not be given to a brand new shooter, regardless of gender. You have to work your way down to a J-Frame, especially an Airweight.

I also don't understand giving women the smallest gun possible that will fit in their purse. I disagree with this for so many reasons.

A carry gun should be a gun you train with A LOT. Who wants to train and shoot hundreds of rounds with a J Frame or a Glock compact?

A K-Frame, a Glock 19 or a Sig P228 are all much better options to start a female shooter on.

 

[sigp220.45]

I'm with the OP on this one. A lot of people, not just women, are not going to go all in and change their lifestyle to accommodate carrying a gun. Just not gonna happen.

Sometimes the best you can hope for is to get them to the range once a year or so to blow out the cobwebs. Should they just be unarmed instead? Would the Mom who face-shot the guy who jumped in the driver's seat and took off with her kids have been better off with a tactical gun at home instead of the one she had?

We are all into guns here. Most people aren't. They have the right to be protected, too. A 442 full of wadcutters is just fine.

 

[pawngal]

My saga in the world of handguns.....Probably not the usual female tale.

I believe the first handgun I ever shot was a Walter P38, due to the time frame, circumstances and pictures. Then on to revolvers. My then hubby
brought back 3 revolvers when he was stationed in Germany. 2 were 22's, kind unknown, the other was a 4" S&W .357. I had it for awhile but had to surrender it to LE in the midst of a messy divorce.

Then gunless for a few years, sometimes having the chance to "shoot cans" with friends. One of those happened to be a 41mag.
Late hubby had several handguns, I remember shooting a Ruger Mark I ,
a S&W 39, and a Ruger Blackhawk .357. ( still have the Blackhawk.)
When his health started going downhill I decided it has time for me to buy a gun for me. 1st was a Ladysmith 65, then a Model 66 2 1/2 in.
By then I was hooked.

Back to the 41mag, I just knew it had to be a S&W, I now own 2 Model 57s, and yes I shoot them. Along with 45acp, and 45 LC.

J frames? I own 1, a M36. Had to put bigger grips on it. I have long fingers. It is my nightstand gun or with me if traveling in the Mini.

I have tried several of the newer J frames including the 642.
No love for any of them. I can shoot my 66 in single action quicker and maintain accurarcy than I can shoot any J frame DOA. But it is not the best for me for CC. I don't often on-body carry, if I do it is the 36.

The Ruger 327 does look interesting to me, appears to have a slightly larger grip than the J frames and it is also available in SA/DA.

My point is, every woman is different. Not many shoot recreationaly, I do. Does the woman want to carry? Or just be able to defend herself at home? You guys need to know what she wants and what she is willing to do. And most of all, SHE MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON THE ON THE GUN!

ps. I can't shoot a semi-auto worth a dang!

 

[sniper]

If a woman has the same problems I have with racking the slides of a great many autopistols, it's best to let her tell you what she likes. It'll probably turn out better in the long run.

 

[RoyM52]

My only response to this comment is this: I am by no means forcing my girlfriend to carry a gun. I too believe that doing that is wrong. However, I do tell her that I think she should think about it. Why? Because I love her, and it is important to me that she have some sort of protection at all times. Where we live and spend much of our time, the police response time is somewhere around 30-45 minutes. There is also a new neighbor who has made it clear that he may be a danger. That is all of the detail I will go into on that.

I don't think I put enough emphasis on the fact that she is going to be choosing her carry gun. She is going to shoot ALL of my guns, autos and revolvers, big and tiny. Whatever gun she decides she wants. I will pay for it. If she wants to switch later, I will pay for that one too. I am not trying to force her into a J frame, but I don't see anything wrong with a woman carrying a J frame, especially a woman who WANTS protection, but is not interested in learning the details of operating an auto. The original post was more in response to the online reviews and articles that say that women should never carry a j frame. I am not saying that I am forcing my girlfriend to carry one, I just don't think that it should be discouraged any more than any other gun.

Might want to consider getting her some pepper spray and then stop pushing the CC permit and just get her doing some target practice.....go slow. I would look at the M60 pro with the 3 inch barrel and some mouse fart 38 wad-cutters. Get her doing single action and having fun with it. Don't talk tactical training...just talk fun target shooting. {pepper spray ...go slow} Buy the 60 pro for yourself and leave it stock. If she eventually likes it , you can gift it . Take all the pressure off this. {it will get you nowhere but getting her pissed off and digging in her heels} She is more likely to use the pepper spray than to use a gun anyway. The gun takes a lot more conviction.