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Well our brilliant gov and all his wisdom vetoed it again . It seems in a nut shell most everyone was for it including most street cops . The deciding factor the way I have heard it was that the police big wigs were against it out of fear it will turn into a freeforall shooting state. Sure glad we have them thinking for us . Is my gun loaded or not , I better ask. I hope the bad guys realize this so no one gets shot first .
 
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...The deciding factor the way I have heard it was that the police big wigs were against it out of fear it will turn into a freeforall shooting state.

A "free-for-all shooting state," in MN, really? :D

Wherever one finds himself, I am not sure whose concern for us is more of a burden, the police big-wigs or the ordinary politicians. :rolleyes:
 
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Not to insult anyone here but I put the unions and politicians in the same catagory when it comes to political decisions such as this . Still on hold to see if my gun is loaded or not seems everyony is out to lunch .
 
I just saw this as well. Disappointing to say the least. Haven't the big-wigs heard of "Minnesota Nice"?

The notion that law abiding citizens would turn into murderers simply because they are allowed to stand their ground is ludicrous. But these are the same people that believe that a law will prevent crime.

It is an unfortunate loss, hopefully in the future it will have enough support to override a veto.
 
I sent letters to my favorite politicians expressing my disappointment with the veto. Sometimes, it is not the intent of the law, but the wording (Law of Unintended Consequences) that is the problem. My rep sent the following reply:
Thank you very much for writing. I agree with you about the reasonableness of letting people defend themselves in their home/castle.

Below, I quote from an email I sent to someone else a couple of weeks ago:

I fully support letting people defend themselves and others from bodily harm or death.

I remain deeply concerned that the House author was not willing to make a critically needed change (that would not have affected the right to defend oneself).

Here's the problematic text:

Subd. 2. Circumstances when authorized. (a) The use of deadly force by an individual is justified under this section when the act is undertaken:

(1) to resist or prevent the commission of a felony in the individual's dwelling;

(2) to resist or prevent what the individual reasonably believes is an offense or attempted offense that imminently exposes the individual or another person to substantial bodily harm, great bodily harm, or death; or

(3) to resist or prevent what the individual reasonably believes is the commission or imminent commission of a forcible felony.

I support (2) and (3), for they recognize a person's right to self-protection and protection of others from physical danger, as you describe in your message.

There's no reason to include (1) as written. As I told Representative Cornish, it's too broad because it includes all felonies (not just those that involve physical danger or force).

The effect of (1) would be to potentially protect people who shoot someone in their home who fails to pay child support, who is committing fraud or other property crimes, and other felonies. Under the law, someone offering to bribe a public official in his/her home could be included.

I brought this concern to Representative Cornish. It was easy to fix---limit to forcible felonies in the home (see #3). I explained that defense attorneys could now take advantage of this provision to 'protect' defendants who we don't mean to include in this protection---the bill *should* protect people in their homes who reasonably fear physical danger or death (not failure to pay child support or other 'nondangerous' felonies).
I remain unclear on why the bill was not fixed on this point.

So now we wait and see, and write to the powers that be, mentioning the upcoming elections occasionally.
 
Governor Dayton marches in lock step with the Democrat party line, it would be foolish to expect him to sign a bill that would expand gun owners rights. Even if the author amends the bill, I suspect Dayton will still not sign it.
 
We have it just the opposite in IA. Passed in the Rep controlled house but it looks like the Dems won't pass it in the senate, if they did I our Gov would sign it.Police chiefs association said we would end up the like the "Wild West"
 
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