MODEL 19 IN STAINLESS- did they exist?

[one eye joe]

the mod pulled my post with the auction #, didn't know it was against the rules..

Please pardon my ignorance but I cannot understand why the posting of an active auction, IN CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS THIS, should be pulled by the moderator. You certainly aren't advertising an auction of your own, or seeking to profit in some way. intention was to seek some advice/guidance as a VICTIM, and to warn other Forum members of the unethical practices of this vendor. Perhaps the moderator can enlighten this ol' geezer............

 

[haris1]

stainless 19-it keeps getting more interesting

Do a search on Gunbroker for SMITH&WESSON 19-3 2-1/2" and you will find the stainless pistol in question
and then click on bid history. You will see that the seller retracted my bid and that the administrator retracted the shill bid because it says invalid bidder. There are two dishonest sellers or one guy who has two names who bid on each others auctions and do this to drive prices higher.At least Gunbroker listened when I told them this is shill bidding

 

[snw19_357]

Simple. Because that's what the rules say.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/announcements-rules/161421-rules-general-posting-rules.html

10. No Links to live auctions or promotion of live auctions, even by number only, or open GunsAmerica ads should be posted without permission. Links to CLOSED auctions and ads are permitted.

Anyone could say this isn't my auction or I have no interest in it but check it out. Rules say no links to live auctions so, no links to live auctions.
Also, in 'circumstances such as this', maybe the member would like to ask the admin for permission to post the link.
OP was able to get their point across without posting a link to the auction.

I'm sorry, who is the victim?
haris1, you out any money? Were you forced to bid on the auction or did you bid because you wanted to?

There are dishonest people on the internet?!?!
What ever happened to buyer beware. If it looks to good to be true, it usually is?
'Comes with the orginal box but the labels fell off and it's too big and I can't back anything I say up...' doesn't make you suspicious?

It surprises you that there may be sellers out there that have people bid on their auctions to bump up the price or, to buy it if it doesn't bring what they want so they can relist it?

 

[one eye joe]

Thanks Moderator. This ol' geezer is enlightened........

 

[stantheman86]

This is why I don't buy anything "rare"....no one is faking holster worn PD trade in Model 10-8's.....

Anyone who bites on this without researching it is gonna learn an expensive lesson. Anyone who is bidding on guns this "rare" (real or imagined) needs a copy of the SC of S&W. If this were real, it would be in the book. There are real "rare" variants like this that are documented, there is no record of any "pre-66" stainless 19's.

Is there also a "pre 64" stainless Model 10?

 

[no dash]

The high bid is currently $381.00. In my buck, that is still a good price for a 19-3 2.5" whether it has a funky non factory finish or not.

And by the way, not only is it a "Stainless" model 19 with "rare PC grips, but it also comes with bona fide genuine ivory finger groove grips to boot! What a jerk!

 

[mtime7]

The high bid is currently $381.00. In my buck, that is still a good price for a 19-3 2.5" whether it has a funky non factory finish or not.

And by the way, not only is it a "Stainless" model 19 with "rare PC grips, but it also comes with bona fide genuine ivory finger groove grips to boot! What a jerk!

It was almost $700 till they pulled the bids

 

[Chopaka]

He also refers that it has special original grips that were performance center additions. I have since come to find out that both statements are false, that the performance center not only did not exist at the time but that the grips are something that someone has made finger grooves on one side and they are smooth on the other. The factory never made anything like that.

I was watching an auction on EB this past week,and there was a set of N-Frame stocks just like these that sold for $150 and change.They also stated they were factory original and made for a square butt.Does anybody know whether S&W made any like these?

 

[Sgt 127]

Is there also a "pre 64" stainless Model 10?

As a matter of fact......

 

[snw19_357]

Anyone who is bidding on guns this "rare" (real or imagined) needs a copy of the SC of S&W. If this were real, it would be in the book. There are real "rare" variants like this that are documented, there is no record of any "pre-66" stainless 19's.

Agreed. However, as we all know, with S&W, nothing can be declared as fact. Back in the day there were one of a kinds and special ones made that go unknown until they are discovered. Thank goodness for Mr Jinks researching each individual firearms for us with the Historical Letters and the S&WHF preserving this info for us. One of the reasons the authors published the third edition is because every day, we learn new things and see examples we never have before.
But….If this is in the 8K range and the M66 came out in the K949 range….

The high bid is currently $381.00. In my buck, that is still a good price for a 19-3 2.5" whether it has a funky non factory finish or not.

And by the way, not only is it a "Stainless" model 19 with "rare PC grips, but it also comes with bona fide genuine ivory finger groove grips to boot! What a jerk!

Yup, I’d pay $381 for a shooter 2.5” M19. But, thanks to haris1 (and others on this thread), we see this seller and their bidder for who they are. There’s no telling how far they’d bump it up before they let you win it.

I was wondering if someone would mention the ‘ivory grips’.

Is there also a "pre 64" stainless Model 10?

As a matter of fact......

Maybe it deserves its own thread but if you haven’t already, do tell.

 

[Sgt 127]

I thought you were refering to my thread from a while back.

Alot of people helped make it what it became...

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/129644-unbelievable-find-mismarked-m-64-a.html

 

[Jeroenw114]

I do find it looking like SS. But I can't seen the model amrking in any picture.
Is it not simply a model 64?

And those grips, they do look like SB combats changed to RB

 

[snw19_357]

I thought you were refering to my thread from a while back.

Alot of people helped make it what it became...

I'm sad to say I missed it.

I do have severe Combat Magnum tunnel vision though. Are the Model 10 and 64 even the same caliber?

 

[CALREB]

Im not a super S&W historian,but in Jinks book is states that the first model 66s were made in 1970 sold in 1971 and the 2.5 " guns were made in 1974.
So why would the Navy or anyone else order or S&W make stainless 19s if they made 66s in 1975 when this gun was supposedly made ?
OH well like you guys always say, buyer beware, Ive been burnt before .Feel for the guy on this one.

 

[Geronimo Jim]

I have learned a lot from this thread.

 

[CALREB]

Amen Jim, used to think I knew a little about S&Ws, after being around them over 30 years.
I WAS right, I knew a little about S&Ws, went to buying books. This place/people are great.Bob

 

[mtime7]

its over $500 again, if it goes any higher I am going to start to feel sorry for someone

 

[one eye joe]

I am FAR from an S&W historian, but I see legitimate variations that I cannot verify in the highly respected books that I do have....

 

[stantheman86]

I have a 581 that's stamped 586 inside the yoke.......is it a "pre 586" made for a special contract that wanted 586's but with fixed sights.......a "pre 581"

Or maybe the guy doing the stamping was really hungover that day?

I have heard of quite a few "mis stamps", it doesn't equal a rare variant. A few Model 27's out there stamped as 29's, 586's stamped 686.....

 

[amazingflapjack]

Only thought is that it is something that S&W did for the Seal Teams, which would explain the lack of GOV markings as well. You can call the Museum if Florida and inquire, just a thought. Flapjack