Model 19, why isn't it a Model 13?

[Wilson Custom Guns]

Hi Gents,
I recently had a guy bring in what he said was a Model 19, but when it arrived it had fixed sights. I was about to show my expertise in S&W model identification, and tell him it was actually a Model 13, when I noticed it was stamped Mod 19-P. I'm assuming it is a "police" model, but why not just call it a Model 13? Anybody ever seen one before?
Intrigued to know.
Serial # AVZ1723, 4" , .312 SC Trigger, HB
Cheers

 

[Waywatcher]

The barrel underlug. A 19 will retain the full underlug while a 13 will not.

 

[murphydog]

Correct, except I would call it the shrouded ejector rod rather than "full underlug", which to me would be like a 580/680 series gun. The 19-P was produced for Peru in limited numbers; there are 3" fixed sight model 19s also.

 

[JCS&W]

Yes they are out there but are seldom seen. The M19-Ps are basically 19-5's but have fixed sights. They were produced in 2.5" and 4".
There were 3218 of them produced, but I do not know the break down of 4" to 2.5".
1500 to Peru
1237 to Wischo in Germany
481 sold domestically.
Product code is 100727
It should have a narrow yellow 'stripe' vertical on the front sight, .312 smooth combat trigger, it has the narrow .265" service hammer you'd expect to see on a Model 10, not a .375" semi-target you're used to seeing on a Model 19.

Here is mine.

 

[Wilson Custom Guns]

Thanks,
I expect this one went to Wischo in Germany, and ended up in Ireland. I must admit the extractor shroud should have been the give away, but I was more intrigued by the fixed sights. This one didn't have the yellow on the FS.
So much information in a matter of minutes, isn't it working hours over there?
Cheers

 

[JCS&W]

But I am working. Here is a picture of the front site and the import markings.

 

[Triathloncoach]

Yes they are out there but are seldom seen. The M19-Ps are basically 19-5's but have fixed sights. They were produced in 2.5" and 4".
There were 3218 of them produced, but I do not know the break down of 4" to 2.5".
1500 to Peru
1237 to Wischo in Germany
481 sold domestically.
Product code is 100727
It should have a narrow yellow 'stripe' vertical on the front sight, .312 smooth combat trigger, it has the narrow .265" service hammer you'd expect to see on a Model 10, not a .375" semi-target you're used to seeing on a Model 19.

Here is mine.

Gee Whiz JWC

I'm gonna pull out my S&W book and see if I can find something you don't have. Rock on!


PS Hey Wilson, J is the S&W Guru of the Peach State. His willingness to help out others with questions is only bested by his modesty. And his photography skills.

 

[old bear]

, isn't it working hours over there?
Cheers

Sir, you work your way and we'll work in are own special way

 

[Wilson Custom Guns]

Thanks JWC,
I'm sure the information will make the owner very happy, and it's great that you can share your knowledge and passion with others.
Cheers
Richard

 

[BrewsterII]

Just sitting here looking at that model 19-P ........ and I'm thinking, for me, this would be the PERFECT .357 revolver.

WOW, that is bona fide simplicity at its finest! I guess my 13-3 is as close as I'll get.

 

[Glocktimus]

That's strange !

As good a place as anywhere to say "Hello !" I suppose, as I own the Model 19 P that Richard is talking about !!

And I must say that I was as happy as a clam when I got it back from him, tuned to perfection and with all this information ! (He also did a hell of a good job on my Model of 1989 too !)

So thanks Richard, and thanks you guys who were on the spot with the facts !!

Cheers

Tim

 

[Old Corp]

First I've ever seen. Very nice.

 

[BE Mike]

That's why I like this website. I'm always learning something new. I wonder what the minimum quantity is today for a special order firearm?

 

[Ranger514]

The 2.5 inch in that model would make a perfect concealed carry .357 IMO.
Thanks for sharing the information.