MODEL 27-3 PROJECT

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Hi Guys,

Ever since seeing a 1956 Pre-27 with a 3-1/2 inch barrel come through my LGS (and missing buying it...), I have been on a quest to make my own.

A few weeks ago, I got a very lightly used Model 27-3 (1987) with a six-inch barrel. Not being a long barrel guy, I contacted the lovely Roz Sousa at Smith and Wesson to see if they still had any of the 3-1/2 inch barrels left in their inventory. She told me that there was only one (1) four-inch barrel left. She put my name on it.

About a week of looking on e-bay, Numrich and Jack First netted one that I bid on e-bay. I paid $160 for the barrel, but for the chance of having a 3-1/2 inch .357 N-Frame, it was a small price to pay.

I asked Roz if she could ask the Performance Center if they could take off the six-inch barrel and install the 3-1/2 inch tube. They agreed.

Today (8/31), I at long last received the 3-1/2 barrel that I won from e-bay. WOW! She's gorgeous! It has the two pin Baughman Plain Black Ramp and the large ampersand.

I realize that the resultant Model 27 will be a faux 3-1/2 inch gun, but who cares? The short barrel Model 27s are some of the sexiest guns to ever come out of Springfield.

With a bit of luck all will go as planned with the scope of work I've detailed below.

--Chamfer Charge Holes

--Install Short Barrel

--Check Piece for Servicability

--Refinish the Piece in High-Polish Blue

When I got the 27-3 (S/N AVU22**) home the other day, I immediately detail stripped her and cleaned her from stem to stern (it's a Marine thing...). I just can't bear the thought of sending a dirty gun to Springfield, as I believe the mechanic (gunsmith) is more apt to go the extra mile with a sheet of clean canvas. Might just be me? Not sure.

At any rate, when I pulled her apart, I noticed the Target Trigger and Target Hammer were heavy gouged on their sides. I replaced them with a .400" Semi-Target Hammer and a .265" Service Trigger. Both of them had vibrant CCH colors and no rub marks. HUGE bonus for my project.

When I put the whole works back together (after giving a slight polish job to the rebound slide and its corresponding area of the frame), I found the reason WHY the original hammer/trigger were gouged. The sideplate is too thick. When I bottomed the sideplate screws into their holes, I did a function check and found that the trigger wouldn't return and the hammer wouldn't fall. Backing off the screws 2 turns each netted a perfect DA pull stroke of approx. eight pounds with no discernible side-to-side hammer wobble on the pull stroke.

Hmmm. I found that when the sideplate was in place with the screws backed off for the least interference possible, that the sideplate still protruded into the frame's hammer way about 001"-002". It should be flush when cinched down properly. With that, I deduced that the sideplate wasn't milled correctly.

I've seen many 1980s-vintage Lear-Sigler guns like this before. But I've also seen many that didn't possess any maladies.

Many will notice that the blue looks to be in decent shape. It is, but it's the 1980s blue, not the blue of the Bangor Punta era exhibited by the 3-1/2 inch barrel. For this reason, I will have them re-blue the entire piece in their high-polish blue. Many of you will recall what they did for my Model 10-6. Their new bluing rivals the stuff of old.

I'm sure many will decry the use of the short barrel on a gun that isn't worthy of having it mounted. To them, I say "Kalifornia". Here in the Golden State, we get what we get. I don't have the luxury of ordering my dream gun on gunbroker. This 27-3 was a trade-in and was bought via the Private Party Transfer rules of the CA DOJ. I was a day late on the Pre-27, alas.

So, if I want a 3-1/2 inch Model 27, I have to make it. In the long run, I will most likely spend more $$$ for this project than I would have if I was fortunate enough to buy the Pre-27.

I changed out the 1980s Target Grips in favor of the set of Culina French Walnut Magnas (Item # S18) taken off of my Model 22-4 Project. They be replaced with a set of Tung Oil finished French Walnut with medallions for a more martial look.

Needless to say, I'm happy thus far at what the future holds for this project. Roz Sousa and "Art" at the Performance Center are central to this project working. I'm indeed indebted to them for their willingness to help.

I'll be sure to keep everybody abreast of developments as they occur.







 
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Either I got too excited reading through your description too fast in order to get to the photo ASAP or you forgot to mention THE PINNED BARREL.......... Nice touch.

Very nice.

Enjoy.
 
Well done.
I did the same last year. Had an 8- 3/8 27-2 that shot way high with any load.
Found a 3.5 barrel and did the deal.
All matched up well.
On my phone so I'll post an image later.
 
Update: 10/8/2015

I received a call today from "Art" in the gunsmithing section. He's been detailed to assist me with the project.

He called to discuss the project and to offer his services and to make sure that what we spoke about will be incorporated into the project.

I must say that I have never been so impressed with an individual as I was with "Art". He took the time to explain that the 80s 6-inch barrel would have to be cut off and the remaining barrel shank be milled out of the frame, lest any further torque applied would most likely result in a cracked frame.

He explained that the 50s-60s vintage 3-1/2 inch barrel would fit nicely. Further, he assured me that the job would be one of the best ones that he's done. He was kind enough to offer his counsel and also actively listened to my desires for the piece.

I 've always maintained that if the customer had a modicum of knowledge about (insert device here), the maintainer would tend to give a bit of extra attention. A scrupulously clean (insert device here) also helps a great deal, as many mechanics (to include gunsmiths) don't like to work on dirty things.

"Art" alluded to the fact that my Model 27-3 would be better-than-new, as she will be lavished with attention. I told him that this gun will be my USMC retirement gift. His son is a former Marine, so he feels a special kinship as a proud Marine Dad.

This underscores the feeling that I have about S&W. They often under-promise and over-deliver. I have never had a bad bit of service from them in the years that I've sent guns back for service or gunsmithing.

I'm confident that the finished 3-1/2 inch Model 27 (although a faux replica of the guns of yesteryear) will be a wonderful handgun that pays homage to the best looking handgun ever to come out of Springfield. In my 50-minute conversation with "Art", he told me several times, "This is going to be a nice revolver." I'll take him at his word.

In summation, I'm very moved by "Art" and his efforts on my behalf. I think he's a revolver guy...
 
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Guys,

An update today (10/30). "Art" called me, but I missed his call. He finished the gun and shot it as the final test of the work. He detailed that it shot high with the new barrel, so he replaced the rear sight blade.

In a time when many complain of the service of the factory, I have to confess that I have NEVER had a bad service call from them. I am very impressed by "Art" and his 'Service to Others' ethos.

I can't wait to see the gun. He alluded to the fact that it came out very nice. $369 for the work he did. When I get the gun, I will of course send pics and a description of the pallet of work that was done.

On another subject, I was able to trade for my old 28-2 again. I'm very happy that I will have it back. I want to send it in to have her refinished. She's in very good shape with no "warts" to detract from a quick and easy bluing job.

I posed the question to Roz Sousa, who referred me back to "Art". He told me in his voicemail message that S&W refinishes quite a lot of the Highway Patrolmans. What blew me away is that he said they do it the "old way": They brush the exterior surfaces, bead blast the topstrap and render it in Rust Blue!
 
I must have missed this thread two months ago but very interesting project ... IIRC the 4" barrel supplanted the shorter barrel during the late 27-2 revision era (probably due to the 2.5" Model 19 and 66 being in full production and adversely affected short barrel .357 N frame sales)
so you have basically created a version that likely doesn't exist outside the customized world.


Either I got too excited reading through your description too fast in order to get to the photo ASAP or you forgot to mention THE PINNED BARREL.......... Nice touch.Very nice. Enjoy.

While rule # 1 with S&W is "Nothing is absolute with S&W" Model 27-3s are generally Non P&R , It also has no channel cut behind the ejector rod knurling which points to a 27 no dash or earlier version so they are two different guns.
 
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Last night I received the large FedEx box containing my new-old Model 27-3. When I opened it, I was amazed at the workmanship that the Performance Center did the piece.

"Art" was right: She turned out nice. I was especially taken with the fit of the barrel. The new B/C gap is .005" which is nearly optimum. The gun was reblued to a high polish. "Art" also addressed the former 27-3's excessive side-to-side play with the fitting of a new bolt and cylinder stop. He also fit a new hand to correct the slow timing on two of the six chambers. The side plate was also re-milled to correct her previous issue. She's as right as rain now.

A quick rub down with the "green" FLITZ liquid took off all of the contaminants (packing grease). A subsequent coat of FLITZ gun wax netted a beautiful finish (that is nigh impossible to photograph).

The action is smooth and is light enough for fast DA work. "Art" radiused and smoothed the serrated .265" Service Trigger for DA shooting. I almost never shoot SA, so serrations are not needed, nor desired.

As you can see, he gave the cylinder charge holes a slight going over. On a lower-pressure cartridge gun, I prefer deep, aggressive chamfers of the charge holes. On a Magnum gun, we're somewhat limited on how depth of the chamfer, lest the case head split under the higher chamber pressures.

Overall, the gun turned out exceptionally well. When I get to the range, I'll of course post pics to close out this project...







 
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Great thread and update -- the finished project looks gorgeous. ;)

Also terrific to get a more detailed account of working with S&W on a gunsmithing job; most encouraging.

Can "Art" be requested?
 
Wow, very impressive transformation. They did a fine job on the polish and blue. Not many original 3.5" 27s ever looked that good!
Looking forward to your range report.
 
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