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went to the local gun shop..and while i was there a guy brought in a model 29 6' bbl "movie prop" the owner of the shop had no idea on what price for the "prop"....so i ask him is he would take 35.00 he said no...$40.00..umm...ok..so what i found out is it was made by the model MODEL GUN CO. in Japan back in 1979 (marked on the frame) and the box...came with 6 metal shells...took a few pic's....has a crack grip (super glue) took care of that...

ANY AND ALL INFO WOULD BE NICE IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THESE "MOVIE PROPS"


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I remember first seeing the MGC guns about 1973. They were not necessarily movie props, just pretty nice replicas for people that couldn't own a real firearm. They were some sort of cast metal and will discolor with age. I have a 1928 Thompson replica and a MP40 replica made by them. The Thompson has turned a "bronze" color. They function pretty much like the originals and some of them even field stripped like the originals.
I have not seen any for a long time, as I think most were discontinued in the early 80's. Some of them are quite valuable. They made a full replica of the Man From U.N.C.L.E. P38 that had all the attachments you could remove or add on just like the original TV props. The last one I saw, complete and in mint condition, was a couple of grand.
They made all types of WWII weapons. I had, at one time, a Luger, PPK, P38, 1911.
They make real nice wall hangers and when I used to hang my Thompson up in a gunshop I worked in, I got a lot of questions and strange looks.
 
...those high quality firearm replicas were the precursor to the Japanese, (and to some extent…U.S) “air-soft” craze. I agree with previous input that the market for these sprang forth to fill the niche for those folks that could not, unfortunately own the real thing. I imagine Oregon residents feel the same pity for me when it comes to Class 3 items, (funny how that works.) :mad:
You did good, just on "cool factor" alone it is worth more than the $40 dollars you paid. When I was a wee kid, my brother & I had 3 of these replicas, (high quality “build from a kit” Japanese models) of an earlier Colt M-16 carbine, an AK-47 and a Smith & Wesson 6 inch barreled Model 29. All really good quality builds, (removable mags...cycling actions, etc)and probably way too realistic for the streets of New York…come to think of it: I was lucky we kept that play in the back lot…I couldn’t blame an NYPD Officer for making THAT mistake. :eek: But then again…very different times in the early 1980’s
In any case, we played with those things until they literally fell apart. Maybe THAT’s where this gun-love all started. Thanks for the cool post and bringing back some good memories. :)
 
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Last week some movie prop Colts sold on Ebay for ridiculous prices. There was a Trooper, Python and Cobra and they sold anywhere from $200.00 to $450.00 approx. For fake guns!!!

Don't know what this one is worth, but dang. I always said people on Ebay will pay $1000 for a book of matches if someone is bidding against them.
 
Another maker of "prop" guns was Collector's Armory. I think that was the company's name. I remember that Scott Glenn posed with them in their ads in gun rags of the '80s.

Seems like they sold for $150 or so for a fake SAA. I wonder what those go for these days...

Edited to add:
Collector's Armory is still active -
http://www.collectorsarmoury.com/ep5sf/
 
I like that below trade mark it says "Japan"!!

And instead of S&W it's T M for Trade Mark.

Cool.

Don't ya' wish they still made things like that. Roll a pack of candy cigarettes up in your tee shirt sleeve and stick that Four-Dee-Four in your belt and ride your bicycle to the other side of town.
And nobody would've gave you a second look.
I wish I'd had that in '72!

GF
 
I'm suprised S&W allowed their name to be used on a fake gun.

My local hobby shop used to sell these Japanese replica guns back in the late 1970's & early 80's. In the 70's the company was called "Replica Models Inc." ...in later years it was called "Collectors Armory". I don't recall ever seeing a fake model 29 in the store.....but he did stock fake Thompsons, Mp40's, lugers, etc.

I did buy a fake all-metal 1911a1 when i was about 16 years old, just because I thought it was cool. Paid 20 bucks I think. The "gun" could be stripped down VERY similar to that of a real 1911. After a few months though I completely lost interest in it and gave it to my brother. The thing only made me wish much more for a REAL one!


Russ
 
I remember Replica Models ads, back in the mid/late 70s they were 1 page B&W, with lots of little pictures of various guns If I recall, there was a Python, a Chiefs Special, A Model 29, a 1911A1, a P38, a Luger, a PPK, A Tommy Gun, a Schmeiser, and an M16. Also a universal type holster, and I think some Nazi daggers? Later, I had the Collector's Armoury catalogs and there was even more to choose from. IIRC, trademark name guns like "Python" were refered to as ".357 Police Magnum" or some such thing.

I also remember a plastic model company that made very realistic plastic model copies of lots of famous guns. I built a P38 and an Artillery Luger, but the local hobby shop had lots to choose from. I remember a Model 29, a 1911, and I even remember Military Modeler magazine did a review of the Type 14 Nambu kit. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the company.
 
I have one of the MGC Thompson guns. It's the type that actually fires a special blank cartridge controlled full auto or semi auto.

Confusing, but,,,,a special 4 piece cartridge that is loaded (and reloaded) with a small 7mm(?) cap makes things work. They called them a 'cap-piston' cartridge. An earlier version used a solid brass shell and you loaded them with paper caps through the hollow nose,,enough to do the work.

The firing pin is in the barrel ahead of the chamber looking rearward. As the cartridge is chambered, that firing pin enters the hollow nose of the cartridge, strikes a small internal firing pin in the cartridge (that you place in position when you reload these things) and fires it.

The gas generated is driven back out the front of the cartridge into the blind area where the firing pin is and forces the bolt back, operating the TSMG. The rest of barrel is solid. The earlier cap operated ones had a through drilled barrel in front of the mounted firing pin.
The loaded rounds look very much like GI 45acp rounds aside from the hollow nose.

Fires faster than the real thing, but makes a good racket. The recoil spring is very light to enable the thing to function.
Haven't shot it in a long time,,don't think I know where the 'ammo' is right now either. I took the firing pin out of the barrel too.
I understand these were often used as prop guns for stage and sometimes movie scenes. No licensing issues and they look very real.

It fires controlled full or semi auto. Safe-Semi-Full selector.
Has a 20rd detachable magazine. Will take GI stick mags if you mod the hole in the spine of the mag slightly (the MGC mag catches just a bit higher than an original). MGC mags have a very light spring in them compared to GI though.

Field strips as original. Wood stock and FE. Finned BBL,, Lyman adj rear,,NO compensator! Weighs about 8lbs.
They did come with a drum magazine. I don't recall the capacity,,less than the 50 of an original though,,35 comes to mind.
But the one I have is missing the internals.

I know the company made an MP40 also that was just as real looking and also fired the same blank cartridge in full auto. Others too. I seem to recall an Uzi written up in one of the gun rags in the 70's perhaps.
I used to see the ammo for sale on Flea-Bay once in a while.

All marks are as an original (probably not period correct!) along with small MGC markings.
In the late 80s(?),, the 'Thompson' markings & pat dates on these were obliterated upon import due to copyright(?) issues.

Then I understand the gun itself, in these blank firing editions, were discontinued from import by a BATF decision.
Though the agency had years earlier ruled that they were not firearms and would allow import, the new decision cut any new imports but allowed existing 'guns' to remain uncontrolled under GCA..

In the same time frame as the import change and markings obliterations, a law went into effect that orange inserts were to be in place in the muzzle of all 'toy' guns.

Yes you could deffinetly get yourself into some trouble waving it around..
 
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I was at the Small Arms Review Show in Phoenix last Dec. and spotted an M-16 on one of the tables in the Class 3 building (automatic weapons Disneyland!). It turned out to be a metal replica of a pre A1 M-16 made by MGC. I bought it for $75 to hang in my home office. I researched it and found that these guns were used a lot in Viet Nam war movies for the non-firing scenes. The one I have is, like the Thompson versions mentioned, a full-auto blank firing version. I also found this picture of Mathew Modine carrying one in Stanley Kubrick’s “Full Metal Jacket”.
MGC 16 on top:
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right side:
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on the wall w/pic of “Full Metal Jacket” still
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