Model 34 - confused about frame size, etc. need help please

[Levallois]

Looking at a model 34 with serial number 64xxx which based on the SCof S&W should have been made before 1960? Looks like a three screw though with flat latch and pinned barrel. So is this a J-frame instead of an improved I-frame? Guy doesn't have any other S&Ws to compare it with. Seems small for a J-frame but I can't tell. Thanks for the help!

John

 

[Hondo44]

Hi John,
Actually it's neither. The Mod 34 is the New I frame Model of 1953 made after c.1957-58 when all models received a model# and were stamped as such.

The 1st Models of 1953 began with only four screws instead of the five screws of the Imp I frame (the 5th screw, the trigger guard screw was eliminated). They recieved the longer J frame size grip frame and egg shaped trigger of the J frame at that time as well, but retained the I size main frame, cyl and cyl window opening length.

The Improved I ended with the introduction of the Mod of 1953. The Mod 34 became the J frame with the change order starting in Oct. 1960 with the addition of the -1. The 3 screw sideplate and other features you described are indicative of all pre model 34s and Mod 34s made after c. 1956 when the 4th screw, the upper sideplate screw was eliminated.

That gun gun was in the assembly process or already completed and in inventory when the change to J frame was ordered. In my database guns in the vicinity of that serial # weren't actually shipped until after late 1962 or early 1963.

 

[Wiregrassguy]

It's an improved I frame because J frames started at SN 70,000. Measure the cylinder. If it is 1.32", it's an improved I frame. If it is not marked Mod. 34-1, it is an improved I frame.

I see Jim and I were typing at the same time. Whatever he says is Gospel.

 

[mbliss57]

The cylinder length is a sure way to know. I have used that method in the past. It's an objective measurement that cannot be disputed or confused.
There are a lot of guns lately, as I have become more knowledgable, (Still a long way to go) that I can quickly identify or dismiss by looking at the approx. cylinder length. The number of screws is sometimes hard to describe to a new collector or novice. The length of the cylinder, the width of the sight, the length of the barrel are all measurable with a simple ruler.
Just some musings... don't mind me

 

[Levallois]

I appreciate the replies! Sweet little revolver. It did seem smaller. If I decide to get it then I will post photos here. Thanks again.

John

 

[TACC1]

They will probably never build another of that size.
If the deal isn't too obnoxious, I'd jump on it.
JMHO, TACC1.

 

[Green Frog]

+1 to TACC1... it seems for some reason that the little Model 34s are hard to come by and highly regarded by those fortunate enough to own them. "If the deal isn't too obnoxious..." is sound advice from where I sit!

Froggie

 

[Levallois]

I haven't seen another locally but he wants 500 and its only about 85 percent condition. Looks like the 90+ condition ones go for about that or a little more on GB. None of the model 34s are less than 425 on line. I know for collecting its all bout condition but i just want to it for shooting/ carrying as the "kit gun" moniker implies. He's not dealing either.

 

[Hondo44]

Hi John,

I don't think we've heard the barrel length or whether it's rd or sq butt?
Those would help me at least, make up my mind.

A pre Model 35 6 " cut to 4" or pre 34 w/mod. frt sight, sold today on Gunbroker for $450 with about 5% finish: Smith & Wesson .22 L.R. 6 shot Revolver - OLD 22 : Revolvers at GunBroker.com

They're gaining popularity and prices seem to increase almost daily. As hard to find as they seem to be in your area, and since you want a shooter anyway, and considering life is short...the price may be a little high but not outrageous, you might consider "buying it a little early".

That's a phrase that means paying a little high since at the current appreciation level it will soon be worth it. Most here agree, regrets about not buying a gun always seem to sting a lot longer than paying a little too high.

And you'll have it to enjoy right away. But I'm not the type who normally reinforces dealer pricing on the high side by paying their price, either. I'd much rather pay a little high to an individual if I had to.

One thing for sure, if you get it, another one will show up in no time (then you resell). If you don't get it you won't see another for years, it's Murphy's Law!!!

 

[Levallois]

Thanks for the advice, Jim. I agree with what you are saying. I have always subscribed to the time-honored gun collecting strategy of buying high and selling low (if I ever sell anything, which is rare) and shooting everything, collectible or not. It has the 2-inch barrel with a round butt and original diamond grips.

 

[Masterpiece]

It has the 2-inch barrel with a round butt and original diamond grips.

Hi John,

I'm sure Jim will agree, generally Model 34's found in this configuration most always bring a premium over those with the 4" Barrels so $500 is most definitely a reasonable price in today's market!! That is, if it's condition warrants it!! Sure would be helpful if we'd have some photos to make an accurate assessment of the value though!! Is that possible?? Also, by chance, did he make any mention if he had the Original Box & Accessories for the Revolver because they would up the value considerably?? Let us know!!