Model 41 STILL just as picky an eater as ever!!

[chief38]

I believe most here know by now that most M41's are quite picky as to what ammo you feed them. Mine is certainly no exception and I have fed it CCI 40 grain Std. Vel. ammo for most of it's 42 year old life (bought it new in 1979).

Yesterday when I was heading out to the Range, I found an old plastic box of Remington Target 40 gr. std. vel. ammo that was buried under my coveted CCI stash. I said ah, what the heck, even if I get a few misfeeds let me shoot this stiff up. So I get to the Range, load up a magazine and upon dropping the slide for he very first time, it refused to feed into the chamber. After helping it along, it fired and then the second round jammed the pistol up and I had to remove the barrel to get it out. After reassembly, the third round jammed again and that was that for the Remington! Thankfully I had plenty of CCI with me and my M41 runs 100% with that stuff all day long as usual.

To me it was just a pungent "reminder" on why the Remington sat there for so many years - lol. I will shoot it up out of my M18, M63, or a rifle. After I got home, I looked at a Remington round against a CCI round and there is quite a bit of difference in the actual bullet shape. The Remington is a lot pointier and has a sharper shoulder. I don't know if that effects it's reliability in other semi - autos, but I know my M41 does not like it at all.

I figured I'd post this because this subject comes up so often with the M41.

 

[dmthomp32]

Many of these target pistols get picky due to tight tolerances. The 41 and the woodsman are gorgeous and amazingly accurate. For reliability and accuracy I've turned to a Volquartsen Scorpion. About the same price but they feed just about everything you can find, manufacturer does not recommend the ultra high speed stuff like stingers and velocitors. Who wants to run those through a target pistol. Sorry to hear about the 41, at least you can be certain she only loves CCI!


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[ol777gunnerz]

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My 1958 model 41 likes CCI & Federal, but will not eject Aguila. Will try some Remington's eventually.

 

[gwpercle]

You are aware the Clark Boy's over at Clark Custom Guns can fix that problem for you ... a reliability package and trigger job will put a smile on your face and a song in your heart ... I'm sitting here grinning just thinking about shooting mine... It's So Sweet Now !
Gary

 

[teletech]

So how old was that Remington?
I ask because I have had issues with old .22 lead bullets "swelling" a bit if they have oxidized and being a bit hard to chamber. Sometimes they are grey and chalky from the oxide but in the case of copper-washed bullets it seems to get under the coating so they don't look different at a glance. It has made me more careful about storage of ammunition in general but of course the heeled bullet of the .22 makes it far more of a problem than say .38Spl.

 

[Hasbeen1945]

I had just the opposite experience with my 1980 model 41. It loves Remington target. It has trouble with CCI std.

 

[chief38]

So how old was that Remington?
I ask because I have had issues with old .22 lead bullets "swelling" a bit if they have oxidized and being a bit hard to chamber. Sometimes they are grey and chalky from the oxide but in the case of copper-washed bullets it seems to get under the coating so they don't look different at a glance. It has made me more careful about storage of ammunition in general but of course the heeled bullet of the .22 makes it far more of a problem than say .38Spl.

The Remington bullets are in pristine original condition. I had the same issues with them 35 years ago and hence the reason I buried them in my ammo locker. I had just forgotten just how bad they performed in the M41. Now I remember.

I will shoot them out of my Revolvers - no issues.

 

[chief38]

I had just the opposite experience with my 1980 model 41. It loves Remington target. It has trouble with CCI std.

WOW - first time I've heard that. Whatever works in yours is what you use.

 

[Homie]

I talked to Don Nygord when he was at the Olympic Training Center and had him "tune" two of my 41's for me-they both run great with MOST target quality ammo but still don't like all of the cheap stuff. At the time the favored brand at the OTC was Eley.
Remember, they don't like to be dirty!!!

 

[KCO]

Hi there from Germany.

I have similar issues with my 90's 41 and need advice. I bought it pre-owned and was told it works flawless with American Eagle. Tried it and had stovepipes all the time. Tried many others and ended up with CCI Standard. I have been using this for some years and put several thousand rounds through with no issues. Since some months I get stovepipes, usually the first two or three rounds of each mag, after that it runs ok, more or less, but the issues seem to increase generally.

First thought: Dirty. Cleaned it thoroughly, issues remain.

Second thought: Mags. I have three old ones with the orange follower and three brand new S&W ones. They feel awkward when loading them, as if the lips are too tight. Carefully tried all of them with several hundred rounds, with either five rounds or ten rounds loaded. Issue remains with all of them.

Third thought: Recoil spring worn out. I have ordered replacement in the US through a friend since I cannot get them here. Will take a while.

Today I tried CCI Blazer just because I was out of ammo and that was the only one available in my club.

Runs flawless in all mags regardless of number of rounds loaded, slow fire, rapid fire, just no issues at all.

I am dazzled. Is it possible that the recoil spring got to weak to cycle with SV ammo and the HV ammo somehow compensates that?

Thanks for advice.

 

[chief38]

Hi there from Germany.

I have similar issues with my 90's 41 and need advice. I bought it pre-owned and was told it works flawless with American Eagle. Tried it and had stovepipes all the time. Tried many others and ended up with CCI Standard. I have been using this for some years and put several thousand rounds through with no issues. Since some months I get stovepipes, usually the first two or three rounds of each mag, after that it runs ok, more or less, but the issues seem to increase generally.

First thought: Dirty. Cleaned it thoroughly, issues remain.

Second thought: Mags. I have three old ones with the orange follower and three brand new S&W ones. They feel awkward when loading them, as if the lips are too tight. Carefully tried all of them with several hundred rounds, with either five rounds or ten rounds loaded. Issue remains with all of them.

Third thought: Recoil spring worn out. I have ordered replacement in the US through a friend since I cannot get them here. Will take a while.

Today I tried CCI Blazer just because I was out of ammo and that was the only one available in my club.

Runs flawless in all mags regardless of number of rounds loaded, slow fire, rapid fire, just no issues at all.

I am dazzled. Is it possible that the recoil spring got to weak to cycle with SV ammo and the HV ammo somehow compensates that?

Thanks for advice.

Sometimes when using standard velocity ammo, changing the recoil spring from the 7.5 lb. to a lighter 7 pound spring helps quite a bit. Just make sure you change the spring back to factory IF you intend on shooting high velocity ammo in the gun.

NOTE: When using "one side finished" Wolff after market recoil springs, make SURE you put the unfinished opened side towards the REAR of the gun (finished side towards the muzzle)!!!! If you don't the gun will jam up really bad! They might have corrected their springs by now and finished both sides, but in case they didn't I just wanted to let you know.