model 58 blue book price check, can someone help???

[robbt]

Howdy , I require assistance , I am looking at two S&W model 58 and require the blue book gun value prices from 50 % and up , if there a value difference between S or N prefix ??,
and value difference between nickel or blue ?
can some assit ??
many thanks, robbt

 

[kennethg]

This is from the 30th edition.

MODEL 58
- .41 Mag cal., M&P, fixed sights, 4 in. barrel, blue or nickel finish. Mfg. 1964-1977.
Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$800 $750 $650 $575 $500 $400 $300

Add 10% for nickel finish or "S" serial number prefix.

 

[Smith61]

Just at Border's

Was looking at latest gun book of values at Border's (Don't know edition)
and it lists NIB as $1100, Exc as $750...

I'm always interested in M-58 values as that's the only real safe queen I own.

 

[SuperMan]

Real world prices... Need to know the exact condition, if it has the original serial numbered to the gun PC Magnas, blue/nickel, is there a box and paperwork....and yes a "S" prefix will bring more than the exact same gun with a "N" prefix...

Recently prices seem to be a little soft lately. Shooter grade guns with no box and wrong grips are bringing around $600.00. NIB is still bringing around a grand+.

Bob

 

[robbt]

hi guys , how much does a box add to the value ??
a box and papers add ??
many thanks for all your help, robbt

 

[gunnut44]

I would guess a box and papers would add 50-75 bucks if they are original to the gun. 58's are one of the gun's most average collectors want to add to their collection and they bring 800-1000++. I was watching a auction on GB for a Mint 58 S prefix no box and docs and it sold for a little over 1300 it had the orig. numbered stocks, I wish I bought some of them years ago when nobody wanted them, I have one in about 98% condition and I paid 800 for it and didn't even think twice about it, I have never seen one at the gun shows I attend and when I seen this one I had to snag it up and haven't seen one since.

 

[charlie sherrill]

In 1970 I bought one from a local gun shop that had sat in the display case for several years. It was ugly, an oddball caliber, and nobody wanted it. It had a distinct turn line on the cylinder from people looking at it. The owner of the store finally got tired of looking at it and I bought it unfired for $110. I've got another but I wish I still had that one.

 

[SuperMan]

The better the quality of the gun the more a box and paperwork will add to its value. On a good day an unfired 58 would bring $900 with no box...same gun with a box $11-1300.00. An 80% gun that would bring $600 with no box, the extras may add $75-100.00.

But again it all depends on the day. I saw two identical 58s sell withing a day of each other for almost $200.00 difference...and they were the same gun from the same period...

Bob

 

[ischia]

model 58 values

I had a nickel 1977 one on GB for a month or so at $950 shipped. ANIB slight blemish from storage on cyln, all tools and paperwork. Correct grips,box etc. I will try again on this forum with better pictures in the fall. I was looking for trades as well (22's, 27-2 nickel and others) Prices seem to have softened a bit but I am in the ballpark for these from what I have seen around (not many!)

All the best,

Ischia

 

[Ravenn]

S vs N ?

Would someone explain the difference in s series and n series
Thanx
Ravenn

 

[SWID]

The short answer: Nothing. But that's not what you're looking for.

I'm not the most knowledgeable person here on this but since nobody has answered you I will try. In 1957 S & W went to a model number for each gun, like Model 29 for a .44 mag etc. When they did that the frame size (N in the case of the .44 mag) became part of the serial number, thus S went to N.

The S number is usually worth more, but there is no difference in the guns.

 

[Gun 4 Fun]

The short answer: Nothing. But that's not what you're looking for.

I'm not the most knowledgeable person here on this but since nobody has answered you I will try. In 1957 S & W went to a model number for each gun, like Model 29 for a .44 mag etc. When they did that the frame size (N in the case of the .44 mag) became part of the serial number, thus S went to N.

The S number is usually worth more, but there is no difference in the guns.

Not quite. When Smith started using serial numbers, they started with an "S" prefix for the N frame. After the 1968 gun control act, Smith switched to the N prefix, and used it until 1983 when the three letter, four number serials were introduced on the N frame.

 

[SWID]

Not quite. When Smith started using serial numbers, they started with an "S" prefix for the N frame. After the 1968 gun control act, Smith switched to the N prefix, and used it until 1983 when the three letter, four number serials were introduced on the N frame.

You know, I should have known that it was not 1957, as the first new S&W I bought was a Model 28 in 1967 and guess what it's a S serial number. I don't own any guns made after the pin was dropped and I didn't know that the N went away.

Was GCA '68 the impetus for the change?

 

[rburg]

Lets go back to school. N frames started real low, probably with a number 1 gun back about 1907 on a triple lock. Those numbers went up to somewhere in the 62000s at the start of WWII. After the war, the number sequence picked up pretty much were it left off, except it had and "S" prefix. Yes, the GCA was the moving force behind the "N" prefix as each gun had to have a unique serial number.

At times in the past, there was probably N, K, and I frame guns with the same serial numbers between 1 and about 62000. The I and K frame guns came decades earlier than the N at 62,000+. Its why someone running a gun through NCIC needs the model and caliber, as well as the maker. Get the maker wrong and you might have a stolen Colt or Winchester that has S&W on the frame!!

 

[Gun 4 Fun]

Thanks Dick.

I made a mistake in my post above, as I meant to say when Smith started using model numbers, not serial numbers.

My bad, and apologies to anyone I confused.

 

[SWID]

See, I said I should not answer this.

 

[mkk41]

Keep in mind that the Blue Book is a guide , not a gospel. Some models will bring more or less depending on many factors. The popularity or not of a model in an area. On one hand , .41 mags might not bring much , except by up rabid affectionados of this oddball or 'cult' cartridge. Some hucksters will egg up the 'rarity' of the round. In some areas . a .41 will sit on a shelf till dust covers it , while .44s command a premium. At one time , ya almost couldn't give Mod.58s away. Who wants a fixed sight .41 mag when Dirty Harry had a target sighted .44 magnum , the most powerful handgun in the world!

Any pistol is worth whatever someone , the right someone , is willing to pay for it.

 

[Ravenn]

Thanx for the info folks!

Ravenn in Ky