Model 58 Sighting

Very nice example of a great gun. I think you did very well and will really like that gun. I hope to find a M58 someday.
I recently got a M57 and a Ruger .41 magnum with a short (4.625") barrel. You said that you reload, so I would like to pass on some info. The factory loads and the .41 magnum loads in my manuals were a little more than I wanted to shoot on a regular basis. I asked and I got some really good info in this thread on the reloading section of the forum.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/401624-reloading-41-magnum.html

I just tried some loads with 7, 6, and 5 grains of Unique and was really happy, especially with the 5 grain loads.
George
 
Hi all -

Thanks again for all the helpful feedback.

Retired W4, is acetone perfectly safe to use? Any tips for applying it? I posted a WTB add for the PC modified magna grips. Silly me, I thought PC was performance center, but it is plain clothes. From what I gather, these grips were used on fixed sight models. SAFireman added that to be true to the original S prefix, I would want the ones with diamonds, making my search all the more challenging. And expensive, I'm sure!

Tom K, duly noted on keeping the Pachmayrs for shooting. But I just have to find originals for presentation. Does the Tyler T adapter provide a little comfort?

george_lehr, thanks for the link to .41 magnum reloading. I already have dies coming and found some Starline brass on Amazon for a pretty decent price.

Once I have the gun in my procession, I will add pics to the Model 58 Club of which I am honored to be a member!

Happy Thanksgiving
 
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Factory PC magnas are not pleasant with anything hotter than the old police load . If you've small hands I'd add a Tyler . Larger hands you can use what you like . I shoot Pachmayr's on mine . 41 mag is a reloaders cartridge . The Lyman 410459 & H&G 258 cast loaded from 900 - 1200fps will meet most of ones needs . If you don't cast Rimrock makes copies of the Lyman bullet w/ Carnuba Red lube . 15 BHN sized .001 over cylinder throats ( usually .410 - .411 ) shoot well & don't lead . Most commercial cast are harder than needed & have to be pushed faster to keep leading down ( commercial lubes are most times lacking ) . Nice sedate load with the above is 7.5grs SR 7625 @ 900fps . 7.5 - 8.5grs Unique is also in the same to slightly hotter . IMHO 2400 for faster loads is the ticket . Usually H110 / W296 or VVN 110 will give max fps along with max recoil & muzzle blast / fireball . I only shoot cast in mine because it does everything I need up to & including Black Bear , Hogs & Deer . Good cast will shoot lengthwise through a 400lb Hog .
 
boatbum101 said:
.41 mag is a reloaders cartridge . The Lyman 410459 & H&G 258 cast loaded from 900 - 1200fps will meet most of ones needs . If you don't cast Rimrock makes copies of the Lyman bullet w/ Carnuba Red lube . 15 BHN sized .001 over cylinder throats ( usually .410 - .411 ) shoot well & don't lead.
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Thanks for the advice. I do reload, but don't cast. I am familiar with Rimrock. Checking out their site, I found 215 SWC in both standard and premium. The standard specifies the 15BHN you mentioned. $45 for 500. No image available, so I don't know if the lube is red or blue. Are these the ones? How's the smoke?

Cheers
 
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Those should do fine for a 58 running under 1000 fps... 8.0 grains of Unique duplicates the original Police loading at 950 fps.
 
scotchblade said:
.........Retired W4, is acetone perfectly safe to use? Any tips for applying it? I posted a WTB add for the PC modified magna grips. Silly me, I thought PC was performance center, but it is plain clothes. .......
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scotchblade,
Yes. Acetone is perfectly safe (as long as you're not playing with matches or cigarettes - see post below by Retired W4). A method I have use employs using a small modeling paint brush that I've cut the bristles down on. Put the acetone in a small container and dab it onto the painted areas and let sit a few seconds and use the bristles to dab at the painted area to loosen the paint and wipe off with a clean cloth. I'll try to attach a picture a little later this evening.
Yes. The grips are PC (plain clothes).
John

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Scotchblade, I just have a couple more comments on your model 58. The serial number would indicate to me that it was manufactured/shipped in 1969. Only a factory letter from Roy Jinks will solve that mystery. IAW the SCSW the diamond center stocks were eliminated in the 1967/1968 time frame so my opinion would be that your gun very possibly shipped with non-diamond center stocks. I doubt the letter would tell you one way or the other, and S&W could have had diamond center stocks on hand in 1969. The bottom line is your gun is on the cusp, so to speak, and it could have shipped with either but the non-diamond type is the most likely. On a side note, the 3rd edition of SCSW says the 58 was discontinued in 1969, which we know is an error. It's been said many times here, Never say never when it comes to S&W.

One note on acetone, it is very volatile (evaporates quickly). It's also very flammable. An employee of a big camper shell manufacturer in Daleville, AL lit his cigarette with acetone all over him. When he caught on fire he went back inside and burned the place down.:eek:

You have a great example of the model 58 and I know you will enjoy shooting it. I know I enjoy shooting mine. Retired W4, Out.
 
Anybody out there old enough to remember that old chestnut that the M58 was not as strong as the M57? I forget the reasoning why, but the theory held until George Nonte knocked it out in a Guns Magazine article.

Decades ago, I traded my 4" (measured 3.9") 57 for a 58. I considered the 57 clunky as it weighed 51oz, several ounces heavier than the catalog weight. Good decision.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

P.S. It was not uncommon for new officers in some jurisdictions to be advised to discard the Magnas on newly purchased service revolvers for Pachmayrs. Sometimes, it was done without their being asked.
 
For me the PC N-Frame magnas work well. I don't even consider installing rubber grips on it for that reason. After a complete tear down (other than the barrel) and reassembly today I will take mine to the range in the A.M. just as a test flight, post maintenance. I'm still waiting for a range report from scotchblade. Let's hear it Member!;)
 
When I bought my 58, the seller threw in a box of the cor-bon 170 grainers with the deal. I don't have a chrono, but you are definitely not undergunned carrying 6 of those HP's in your 58. Enjoy the gun. I like to hike in the mountains with my dog and the 58 comes along for two or four legged protection.



Sorry for the bad photo
 
Velocity for the 170 CorBon ammo is 1275+-. It uses a 170 grain Sierra JHC bullet that is pretty tough.... It is a medium velocity load made for self-defense giving up a little in possible velocity for more control...

Bob
 
This is the great thing about all of Smith and Wesson's offerings. They made so many different guns that were legitimately awesome, that there is something for everyone.

I saw a mint, mint, mint Model 58 at a not so Local Gun Store. it would be mine for $800 out the door. "S" Serial Number, Diamond Magnas, Lazy Ampersand.

It just didn't speak to me, so I passed. It's not a diss on the gun at all. It was beautiful, just not my thing.

But the 58 has Tons of fans, and I think that is great, I really do.
 
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I'm still waiting for a range report from scotchblade. Let's hear it Member!;)
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Well, there has been a slight delay. Here in CA there is a 10 day wait period and I just got a call from the very apologetic dealer that they made an error when submitting the paperwork.

I can't get back there to redo it until Tuesday (on their dime) so it won't be until December 13 that I am able to pick it up.

But I'll surely follow up shortly after. Thanks again to you all for being so helpful. What a great group.

Happy holidays
 
Lewel said:
What kinds of revolvers are not for sale in CA? I thought it was just assault weapons.
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If it's not on this list, it can not be brought in from out of state. See any older Smiths on there? Or Ruger Security Six? No. So online sources like Gunbroker are not an option.

You can purchase off roster handguns via a private party or consignment, so it's not like they are banned. Prices here run higher too.

We pay for wearing short sleeves and sandals in November. In more ways than one. ;)
 
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