Model 60, 66, and 18 values

[KS_kframe]

I am prepping for a living estate sale, and would appreciate an idea of values. I've been searching through forum sold ads, but unfortunately several have the asking price marked SOLD..

Before I start listing them for sale, I'd appreciate any help with a reasonable starting price range.

Model 60 (no dash) NIB s/n: R36xx shipped 1969
(just read Old Cop thread 'Model 60 No-Dash')

Model 66 (no dash) 4" w target grips NIB
s/n: 7K145xx shipped 1974 update - not NIB has been fired, turn line...

Model 18-3 has been fired, turn line, inbox s/n: 1K61xx shipped 1970

(see attached)

I've bought too much on GB, but haven't sold.. The next decent gun show will be March. I have a LGS that I will be discussing possible consignment. And I do have the option of placing a FS in the forum classifieds, but as you see, I'm fairly new here, so may not have much luck.

Thank you.

 

[PeteC]

Awesome selection! An unfired Model 66 with original box will get you lots of attention anywhere!

A Model 60 with the R prefix and a low serial number is treated almost like a first year gun, thanks to many online dealers, even though there are several production runs preceding it.

I would use completed auctions on GB as a guide, and concentrate on the ones with the highest number of bids, not necessarily the highest price.

If you want to sell online with no reviews, it may be more difficult but it can be done. You can still use a local FFL as an intermediary. I have advertised a gun for sale, and posted that the buyer can call the FFL to verify there is a gun waiting to be shipped when payment is received.

 

[CH4]

Those are very nice pieces. Not sure of the market in KS, but I’d offer the following:

60 $700 to $900

66 $850 to $1100

18 $900 to $1200

 

[minconrevo]

All three of those are in the box with tools which will add value and make them easier to sell.

The 60 appears unfired. It might bring $900-1000 in these parts.

The 66 is a SS sight version, so early production. Does not show appearances of being fired. Around these parts it might go for $1100-1200 or a tad more.

The 18-3 is in good shape. Likely would get $850-900 for it.

Just my opinion, FWIW. Prices will vary a bunch from location to location.

 

[Relic Hunter 451]

Just from recent observations both in person and online all of those are desirable guns. The condition and factory boxes, papers and etc. increase the desirability.

Model 60 $600-700
Model 66 $700-1,000
Model 18-3 $700-1,000

Granted this is just an estimated range and opinion. I think they will be adopted pretty quick in the condition they are pictured and described.
Best of luck with the sale. Cheers

 

[luvsmiths]

I'd call the 66 at 1200 or a little over as the poster above said. On GB I could see that bringing 1500. If I were selling it here, I would list it at 1250 plus shipping and not take less. Its a nice piece.
On Gunbroker winner would be paying sales tax also-
on forum, no tax.

 

[LPD256]

I work at your local gun store in ICT. The prices reflected here are good numbers and are representative of prices I gave to Jess. We would be happy to help in any way. You have nice guns. Let me know if we can help. Jim Homan. TWGC

 

[TheTinMan]

I paid $1,380 (including 15% buyer’s premium) for a LNIB Model 66 (no dash) with stainless rear sight at auction in May. No box, just an extremely clean gun.

 

[PeteC]

Doing a quick search on Armslist turns up a Model 18-3 with box priced at $1,300, and a Model 66 no-dash with box, papers and kit for $1,500. Good time to be a seller, I guess!

 

[CH4]

Doing a quick search on Armslist turns up a Model 18-3 with box priced at $1,300, and a Model 66 no-dash with box, papers and kit for $1,500. Good time to be a seller, I guess!

Did the seller actually get that much? Those are great prices when times are good, but we’re in a gun slump; the gun market is pretty soft at the moment. From my perch in Nevada, it’s a better time to be a buyer.

 

[Relic Hunter 451]

When utilizing GB for relevant pricing, make sure you view completed listing for a more accurate selling price. Current items vary wildly in "asking" prices or "buy it now" prices. I look at the amount of bids and the "hammer" price. Lots and I mean lots of current listings end with zero bids, especially if over priced.

 

[PeteC]

Did the seller actually get that much? Those are great prices when times are good, but we’re in a gun slump; the gun market is pretty soft at the moment. From my perch in Nevada, it’s a better time to be a buyer.

No, those were asking prices. And I intentionally picked guns that were being advertised with box, high condition, etc. like the OP was asking about. A model 18 that has been fired, box or not, would not sell for $1,300 here, or even close, but on GB it might. The R-prefix is being presented as THE early Model 60 on GB. I may not agree with that, and neither would most people here, but a majority seem to be going with it.

I do not see prices for high-condition collectible guns dropping in the upper Midwest, especially not revolvers. I am going by local shows, Armslist, and private sales. Prices for average condition guns and semi-autos have dropped, but one could argue that was just artificial scarcity during the pandemic.

 

[two-bit cowboy]

I'm dropping in a bit late tonight, and I can comment solely on your Model 60.

First, a word of caution about the ship date. R3060 shipped in February 1970. R5368 shipped in October 1970. The ship dates were all over the map in the early R-series.

The earliest ship date I've noted for an R-serial number is July '69, which includes R734, R970, and my R3049.

Since you don't know for sure when yours shipped, focus on the low serial number in your ad, and don't "make it up."

I'm assuming, although you didn't say, that the box's label and the inside of the right grip serial numbers match the gun's butt. Be sure to highlight that in your ad if I'm right. It's a big deal.

R970 sold in August 2021 for $1,127.01. I knew during the auction it shipped in July '69. I'm guessing the winner bidder might have known, too.

You might seriously consider joining the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association so you could ask Dr. Roy Jinks for a ship date on it. Having that in your ad could make several hundred dollars difference in your sale price if it shipped in '69 -- more than pay for your membership.

One guy's thoughts.

 

[KS_kframe]

Thank you all for the responses. These are pistols that my dad purchased early-mid 70's

Both the 60 and 66 are unfired, I have no idea how many rounds through the 18, it was used when he purchased it.

The box labels do match the gun serials, I don't know about the grip serial, as to my knowledge they've never been off the guns. Guess I may need to pull them off.

two-bit cowboy now I'm curious what my dad's SWCA # was, I think he dropped membership late 70's, I'll have to check when I'm out there next. If I remember right, my dad and Roy Jinks did some trading back in the day...

Thanks again for the responses.

 

[bigmoose]

KS kframe, I would not let this statement..."I'm fairly new here, so may not have much luck."....deter you from advertising here on the forum. Great bunch of folks here, and most can tell when there is a straight up guy wanting to do business on this forum, regardless of how new. No listing fees, no commissions, no sales tax etc.

Best wishes to you in your pursuits, and some mighty fine revolvers you have there.

 

[KS_kframe]

UPDATE ---

this is disappointing, and my bad for not looking closer...

The 66 has been fired, faint turn line, slight powder residue.

 

[LPD256]

UPDATE ---

this is disappointing, and my bad for not looking closer...

The 66 has been fired, faint turn line, slight powder residue.

Don’t be disappointed. They’ve all been shot at the factory.

 

[riverrat38]

As far as sales tax goes, it depends on the State of residence of the buyer. In Washington State, the FFL for the buyer has to collect sales tax before the transfer is completed. They need bill of sale.

73,
Rick

 

[PeteC]

UPDATE ---

this is disappointing, and my bad for not looking closer...

The 66 has been fired, faint turn line, slight powder residue.

You might be surprised what is being called ANIB online.

I am sure someone will correct me, but it used to mean not fired, and no handling marks or turn ring of any kind. Then later, it meant there might be a turn ring and some handling marks, but not fired. Suddenly in the last few years, it just seems to mean no scratches, dings or cleaning marks, but "a little dirt" is ok!

Your Model 66 looks awesome. If you want the experts to comment, take pics of the front and rear of the cylider, and especially showing the extractor star, where the most stubborn dirt likes to live on a stainless revolver. Another place to look would be the underside of the top strap near the forcing cone. If you see a line there (a.k.a. flame cutting), I personally would not consider it ANIB, or "almost" unfired. This is just my take on it, but I buy mostly guns that have been fired, and cars that have been driven,

Cheers!

 

[KS_kframe]

I want to thank all that replied.

I had talked with my dad (whose guns they are), and the three all went to LGS last week for consignment.