Model 629 cast bullet diameter?

[lrrifleman]

I am about to make a move on a 629, which I will not have in hand until the purchase is complete. However, I am looking to purchase reloading and casting equipment in advance. I have my molds (Lyman 429630 and 429421) and top punches, just need the H&I lubri-sizer dies. I realize that every barrel and cylinder can be unique. Can those of you that have current production 629s (within the past 5 years or so of manufacture) share either your throat diameter, or which cast bullet diameter tends to shoot better in your 629, either a 0.429 or 0.430?

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[muddocktor]

I wouldn't go with anything less than .430 for a cast lead bullet. And if yours is an early 629 you will be getting that might have oversized charge holes, a .431 or .432 diameter isn't out of the question. Now if it's a 629-3 or later, .430 should do just fine. My 629-3 Classic pin gauges at .4295-.430 on all 6 chambers of the cylinder. The guns of the last 5 years or so should be much the same as my -3 Classic, BTW.

 

[shocker]

430 should work fine in late production 44s. Worked fine in a 629-5 and 2 different Model 69s.

 

[mikld]

To know for sure, you should measure the cylinder throats, but I understand you want to be ready when the gun arrives. I have 5, 44 Magnums and my revolvers all take .431"-.432". I would start with a .432" sizing die as a lead bullet a bit larger than the throats won't hurt/bother anything, they will just be swaged down the throat size (my revolvers run .432"-.4325").

My first 44 Magnum was a 626 I bought in '88 and I have fired a bunch of 429421s through it Love that gun...

 

[Alk8944]

Nobody is going to like this, but I had a 629 Mountain Gun that had a groove diameter of .435! This was by slugging and, yes, I have the proper tools to mic. a 5 groove slug!!!

 

[boatbum101]

Slugging bore & measuring cylinder throats are first steps in cast bullet use . Without these measurements you're peeing in the wind .

 

[shocker]

Slugging bore & measuring cylinder throats are first steps in cast bullet use . Without these measurements you're peeing in the wind .

I used to do that. But.....
Modern Smiths are boringly (pun) true to SAAMI specs. I didn't bother to measure my last purchase because I knew it was extremely likely to be just like the others - 430 (a couple of tenths under if you want to get picky) throat and 429 in the grooves.
Again, with a recent 66 I didn't bother with measuring, just ordered 358 and no signs that wasn't the right choice.

 

[Ia.redneck]

I'm assuming you meant to say 429360 mold. Not trying to discourage you, but I've never had much luck with that boolit getting real good accuracy. Tried slow to fast. I hope your results are better. I've found the round flat nose designs to shoot the best. Followed closely by the Keith 429421.

 

[fredj338]

Measure the cyl throats, that will tell you a lot. I wouldnt even consider a bullet smaller than 0.430", 0.431" would be better.

 

[fredj338]

I used to do that. But.....
Modern Smiths are boringly (pun) true to SAAMI specs. I didn't bother to measure my last purchase because I knew it was extremely likely to be just like the others - 430 (a couple of tenths under if you want to get picky) throat and 429 in the grooves.
Again, with a recent 66 I didn't bother with measuring, just ordered 358 and no signs that wasn't the right choice.

With cyl throats, 0.003" smaller than bore dia with lead bullets is a disaster, not just being picky.

 

[gwpercle]

The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #4 shows " all bullets sized to .429" dia. " which I thought odd untill I saw the test gun was a Universal Receiver not a real revolver . For a revolver I would start at .430 , which is .001" over factory jacketed bullet dia. and if I were placing the order would get a .431 H&I die while I was at it .
The reason being Lyman H&I dies may say .430 on the die but , depending on a few factors , you bullets may come out a little larger , a little smaller and sometimes , occasionally , right on the money .

A tale of Lyman .357 Die and .358 Dies ...
The .357 die sizes bullets to .3575 ... a little over
The .358 die sizes bullets to .3579 ... a little under

The difference is only .0004 between the two . Not really enough difference to matter in actual shooting test .

Oder your H&I dies then measure your sized bullets and see what you actually are shooting . I never measured the .357 sized bullets until after buying the .358 dies ... and found no difference in accuracy .
Gary

 

[diyj98]

Slugging bore & measuring cylinder throats are first steps in cast bullet use . Without these measurements you're peeing in the wind .

When I was casting, I'd slug the bore as a starting point. From there I'd experiment with a few different sizes to obtain the best accuracy. But I had ton of sizing dies lying around.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Can those of you that have current production 629s (within the past 5 years or so of manufacture) share either your throat diameter, or which cast bullet diameter tends to shoot better in your 629, either a 0.429 or 0.430?

Throats run right at .429" so start with .430" for your cast bullets.

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[shocker]

With cyl throats, 0.003" smaller than bore dia with lead bullets is a disaster, not just being picky.

"Tenths" is machinists slang for ten thousandth. To be precise, 4298, so for the vast majority of us who only have 0.001" micrometers, 430.
Even 429 would probably work fine. I mean the bullet would swage to the bore anyway because the lands are a constriction.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #4 shows " all bullets sized to .429" dia. " which I thought odd untill I saw the test gun was a Universal Receiver not a real revolver . For a revolver I would start at .430 , which is .001" over factory jacketed bullet dia. and if I were placing the order would get a .431 H&I die while I was at it .
The reason being Lyman H&I dies may say .430 on the die but , depending on a few factors , you bullets may come out a little larger , a little smaller and sometimes , occasionally , right on the money .

A tale of Lyman .357 Die and .358 Dies ...
The .357 die sizes bullets to .3575 ... a little over
The .358 die sizes bullets to .3579 ... a little under

The difference is only .0004 between the two . Not really enough difference to matter in actual shooting test .

Oder your H&I dies then measure your sized bullets and see what you actually are shooting . I never measured the .357 sized bullets until after buying the .358 dies ... and found no difference in accuracy .
Gary

I have noted similar results. Another factor worth mentioning is the differences to be expected with various lead alloys used for casting bullets.

My RCBS lubri-sizer with .357" sizing die produces soft bullets in the ~.3575" range, but harder alloys will "spring back" to mic at ~.3584". These measurements apply to bullets from the same mold sized in the same sizer die.

Similar results for .44 bullets in a .429" sizer die (soft ~4295, hard ~.432), and .45 bullets in a .452"sizer die (soft ~.4515, hard ~.4522).

All of the above listed bullets shoot very well. Different casting alloys for different uses (caliber, velocity, intended uses).

For perspective, my "soft bullet" alloy is typically 50% salvaged range lead and 50% wheel weights (estimated BHN ~12); my "harder" alloy is typically 50% wheel weights and 50% linotype metal (estimated BHN ~17-18).

Needless to say, every die is different, every mold is different, every firearm is different, and every bullet casting alloy will behave differently.

 

[mikld]

I used to do that. But.....
Modern Smiths are boringly (pun) true to SAAMI specs. I didn't bother to measure my last purchase because I knew it was extremely likely to be just like the others - 430 (a couple of tenths under if you want to get picky) throat and 429 in the grooves.
Again, with a recent 66 I didn't bother with measuring, just ordered 358 and no signs that wasn't the right choice.

Even if a manufacturer has a reputation for being ultra consistent with the critical dimensions, I still measure cylinder throats and slug barrels. I measure cylinder throats to make sure there are no OOPS! and all are the same size. I slug barrels to make sure the groove diameter is smaller than the throat diameters and to check for constrictions. Besides, I like to know my guns even if I shoot jacketed bullets...

 

[fredj338]

"Tenths" is machinists slang for ten thousandth. To be precise, 4298, so for the vast majority of us who only have 0.001" micrometers, 430.
Even 429 would probably work fine. I mean the bullet would swage to the bore anyway because the lands are a constriction.

That is just it, the bullet wont likely bump up to seal the bore if it is swaged down by the cyl throat. You get gas blow by, leading & generally poor accuracy. I have a RBHss in 45colt. It had tight 0.4505" throats. It shot ok but always leaded, regardless of the bullet alloy or lube. I honed them all to0.4515" & run 0.452" bullets. Leading went away & accuracy improved about 100%. I admit to NOT slugging my barrels, just shoot slightly over size bullets. I have too many guns in the same caliber to be making ammo for one specific gun.

 

[shocker]

That is jkust it, the bullet wont likely bump up to seal the bore if it is swaged down by the cyl throat. You get gas blow by, leading & generally poor accuracy. I have a RBHss in 45colt.

Bingo, Ruger. To quote Bob Palermo of Penn Bullets...

"Ruger makes great guns and I own several myself but tight tolerances were never their strong point"

 

[Qc Pistolero]

I have 3 44s and have standardized at .430.Works fine in all of them.

 

[boatbum101]

I almost always shoot cast . Of all the Blackhawks I've had , only the 41 mags had correct size throats . Every other caliber they had to be opened up as they were undersize . Most also had tight spots that had to be firelapped out . Not to mention triggers that'd pull a truck out a mud hole . Do that & you have a robust dependable hunting revolver that'll shoot loads that'd eat a S&W / Colt to death in short order . Now for defensive or target use give me a S&W or a Colt .