Model Classic 629 .44 magnum ammo limits/muzzle velocity

Instead of worrying about power, you would be best served to practice under stress. Do some running or jogging at the gun range then pick up your gun and shoot at a target off hand and make sure you can hit the boiler room on an equivalent sized target.

Rosewood
 
Does anyone shoot the PPU 300gr. SJFP or Hornady 300 gr. in their 44 Magnum S&W 629?

I have shot a lot of 300 gr. Hornady XTPs in my 629. They are super accurate and carry a lot of energy, even at lower velocity. I'm shooting them at about 1050 fps. The recoil is mild. I've shot 120 of them in a day with no effects from recoil either during or after shooting. They take down 54 pound steel rams at 200 meters (218 yards) with authority.
 
I have shot a lot of 300 gr. Hornady XTPs in my 629. They are super accurate and carry a lot of energy, even at lower velocity. I'm shooting them at about 1050 fps. The recoil is mild. I've shot 120 of them in a day with no effects from recoil either during or after shooting. They take down 54 pound steel rams at 200 meters (218 yards) with authority.

Subsonic easier on the ears also.
 
OP,


Bear this in mind that you actually have to be able to shoot quickly and accurately during a stressful encounter.

It will not make any difference if your projectile is going 1000 fps or 1200 fps, if you are missing your shots, or your recovery time is slow, due to too much recoil.

Having participated in many bear drill exercises, I have observed time and time again, where guys show up with maximum loads in .44 Mag, .45 Colt, 454, .500 Smith, etc.

It is exceeding rare that they can get 3 rounds off into the vital zone/head shot, in the different targets (simulating a bear coming towards you) They normally get one, and the next might get on paper, and the third is rarely even shot before the buzzer signals stop. The last target is a small tile that you have to hit and most don't when using top end loads.

For revolvers, guys using mid levels load in .44 Magnum, .45 Colt tend to do substantially better. A .300 grain .44 is fine, but not at "Ruger Only" level. Same with .45 Colt.

You can still get all the penetration you need, but will be able to perform better.

As an example, A few years back I shot a 5x5 bull elk with a 5" Model 29 .44 Magnum. I was using a 300 grain hardcast bullet with a velocity of around 1100 FPS.

I got complete penetration on a broadside shot and never recovered the bullet. The elk did the usual stagger steps, walking a few feet, before kind of turning in a circle, then he tipped over dead. The range was a bit over 100 yards.

The point of the mention of the elk is that you don't need the hottest loads. In fact they can be counter productive. Find a balance.

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Thanks for the great info Paul. Yes. I was looking at the buffalo bore. Since 4D is too powerful, I'll go with 4A and also try Underwoods 305 grain. I wish S&W engineers would publish their test firing results showing which brands/types of ammo they used during pre-production because it would be a helpful guide.

Techsent

I've used both Underwood's 305 gr Hard Cast Keith's (with excellent results)... I've used PRVI's Partizan's 300gr ammo with (extremely good & results in Silhouette Shoots) out to 100 Yards... The same goes for Buffalo Bore's 305gr loads out of my Performance Center M629 3" barreled Stainless .44maggie.

If I were to be in Alaska this this baby would be on my hip. The only thing I would do besides being fit for a chest rig is I'd love to have her cylinder fitted for Moon-Clips. The reload time with Full-Moons such as I had on my M625 was amazingly fast and the profile of a "Keith-Bullet" cartridge just seems to magically align and fall into place.

That said if I were to be out fishing or doing outdoors hunting/sports I'd have my Ruger M44 semi-auto carbine strapped to my back or a port arms when sensing danger. That puppy loaded with 4+1 of the same ammo will send a 305gr Hard Cast Keith out of the 18.5" barrel at over 1,800 fps and hits harder than anything else I have in my house. It was deforming my AR-500 plate at 75Meters and again at 100Meters... We had to move it out to 150Meters to stop all signs of crater-ing is just how hard that round hits out of a Carbine. I'd think it would get the attention of anything coated in fur rather quickly.

-Hams
 
Just a little food for thought coming from someone who’s spent considerable time in bear country, much of it packing a 4” 629. And having shot and seen shot a good number of bears both black and brown.

Maximum power doesn’t matter nearly as much as bullets in the right place. I once shot a 250gr cast bullet doing 1175fps through around 4 feet of a bear.

Find something you can shoot without beating yourself and your gun up and shoot a bunch of it. Get good shooting DA and go forth with confidence.

Finally, He(( Yes... A 250gr Hard Cast "Keith" pill at 1,175 FPS is a Beautiful Remedy for a Nasty bear or anything else on the rag!

Keep pumping them if you can for further positive results. Unfortunately 1-2 shots is the most anyone gets according to published actual accounts of real encounters as these Apex Prediators are very fast. I'd never go anywhere without at least 1 Buddy, (my wife at very least), and preferably another Buddy with his wife too: ALL of us armed and proficient with popping caps and extremely comfortable & happily doing so out in The Great Outdoors... I/We don't go anymore just the wife and me after an unfortunate incident. We go 4 or more now to explore, hike, kayak, fish, in North Georgia/North Carolina now days. Jeeps, 4Runners, and Land Rovers getting to and from sites is another topic but needed as well.

-Hams
 
Does anyone shoot the PPU 300gr. SJFP or Hornady 300 gr. in their 44 Magnum S&W 629?

Ummmmm... YeAH! I most certainly shoot the PRVI... That is about the very best "Do it All Ammo" that I can find in this caliber. It's Clean Burnin', Very Accurate, Full-Powered, and Nice Brass'd cased ammo for reloading. It hits HARD-er than your ugly mother in-law's insults as well...
 
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Instead of worrying about power, you would be best served to practice under stress. Do some running or jogging at the gun range then pick up your gun and shoot at a target off hand and make sure you can hit the boiler room on an equivalent sized target.

Rosewood

Hewl-Yes! That is the best answer yet in this thread...

We were out in Highlands NC where we were semi-accosted on a trail with Streamlight Flashlights were going "****-uP" me, my daughter, and my 2nd daughter a 4 year old and Beefy German Shepherd Dog... When something/someone started "Paralleling" us HARD. This was and is the only time said GSD was ever scared. I kept the .44Maggie and one Streamlight at 45* while my baby (10 year old) kept the other on the trail as we jogged fervently ahead... Paying attention to keep our footing and most certainly "Praying to The Big Guy" that last half mile home...

I don't know what it was but it was bigger than my 6'2" & 255lbs *** and made no contention about being quiet about it's size while paralleling us. We made it home and rushed inside for the night.

It was a long night as we kept hearing brushes against the cabin and some hard beating thumps until about 6am. Everything ended then and thankfully so.

Nothing else has been even close to us but being in shape and being able to roll with the punches is important.

-Hams
 
Garrett Cartridges Inc. 44 mag .45-70 .44 ammo ammunition bullets african hunting cartridges and Lost River Ammunition Company are two other sources of botique .44 mag ammo. The first has been around for a long time, the other a bit newer. Both are high quality and are more than happy to answer any questions you may have.

Paul

Paul
Those boutique stores you're referring to don't seem to be as popular as Buffalo Bore and Underwood. They may be as good but aren't mentioned in most discussions.
 
The bullet weight isn't that critical. The velocity of that bullet is what matters. Pressure = Velocity. I have shot hundreds of 300 grain lead and jacketed bullets out of my 629 over a lot of years, and it's still doing great.

Those bullets are only doing 1050 FPS at the muzzle, though, just subsonic. The ballistic chart I have says they are still doing 900 FPS at 200 yards, which is the furthest distance I shoot them at.

If I tried shooting those at 1400 FPS, for example, I would blow up the cylinder in one shot. It takes a lot more pressure to get that extra FPS.
Sill doing 900FPS at 200 yds.......Only dropping 150 fps from MV?...That's got be a TYPO....Not many rifles accomplish that.
 
My advice is to use a 44 Magnum load that you can shoot well , you want to place your shots accurately and fast ...
When bears attack ... it happens quickly ...
Only Hits Count ... Misses do not count reguardless of how powerful the ammo is .
Carry a load you can shoot well .
Gary
 
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