MOE 15-22 a Rip-Off?

[Decipher]

^I think that's where I'm at. The MOE is great if those parts are all you want. I don't know why, but I'd feel better about the FDE version if I got the handguards too. I guess they set it over the edge for me, crazy as it sounds. At only an $80 price difference, it's not bad but if those parts are irrelevant, that $80 will just about cover a nice quality red dot scope. Just sayin...

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[UKRsoldier]

Heh, would you really be interested in the 15-22 being any lighter than they already are? Funny, because I liked the lightness of mine, but then I installed an 8-inch barrel shroud and a heavy light, which made the gun front heavy. So I rebalanced it by adding weight to the hollow buffer tube. Now the gun is significantly heavier than stock, and I actually prefer it this way. The heft makes it feel more substantial, and I assume better for training alongside an AR-15.

 

[Revgilliam]

Also, if somebody has link to a reliable source to get genuine MBUS for $40 a set I'm ready to order a set for my AR-15!

Agreed! I'm in for several sets of MBUS at $40 a set. If they're REAL of course. I thought the same thing after reading the OP.

 

[BigWaylon]

That's a pretty smart way to add some weight. Thanks for sharing!

For me, it was a case of wanting to add a little weight for cheap. I don't fish, so I don't have piles of old lead weights laying around. Looked at local Bass Pro & Walmart for fishing weights, and it was ~$10 to get a big pack. Read of people using steel rod, but that was something else I'd have to buy. Had an ah-ha moment and wondered if coins would fit. Dimes are too light and rattle to much. A penny will drop all the way in and sit flush. I piled pennies in until the diameter was big enough for a nickel to sit flush (tube ID is not equal all the way...it continuously narrows from the back to the front). Continued with nickels until I got closed enough to the end I could press a cork in tight enough that they don't rattle. The MOE stock makes more noise than the coins do. Probably less than $1 in coins.

Of course, it's all going to waste when my F1 is approved and the barrel gets cut down to 4.5".

Also, if somebody has link to a reliable source to get genuine MBUS for $40 a set I'm ready to order a set for my AR-15!

Not $40...but I've bought about 10 sets in the last year and never paid more than $75. Deals are out there.

 

[78Staff]

Charles, it appears the set I saw earlier are the airsoft version. I have a friend who got duped into buying these thinking they were for the AR. Truth be told, they are insanely comparable to my genuine AR MBUS and I would personally have no issue running them on my 15-22. The only way to truly tell the difference is mine use a flat-head screw, and his use a torx screw. They are stout and still very well constructed. Unless you're running them on an AR where the gas tube gets super heated, in turn transferring to the rail, the non-AR MBUS will perform just fine. To the untrained eye, they pass as the standard MBUS. You can find them on Amazon for $20.

I bought a set of the PTS for my 15-22 - while they look similar, the didn't function that well for me. They would not lay flat on the rail when folded down, which annoyed me enough to send them back. I just upgraded my standard mbus to pro's on the OR, so I am going to move the standard mbus over to the 22. Overkill, sure, but they lie flat .

Interestingly, the PTS's I bought used phillips, not torx. I know there has been some discussion about fake Magpul items on Amazon, as people expected strait screw heads (ie the standard model) and got torx, which was the tipoff that they were fake/PTS, I guess. Or maybe the phillips are fake, who knows. Magpul doesn't even make the PTS line anymore so I'd be leery of any PTS branded items now anyway.

 

[UKRsoldier]

For me, it was a case of wanting to add a little weight for cheap. I don't fish, so I don't have piles of old lead weights laying around. Looked at local Bass Pro & Walmart for fishing weights, and it was ~$10 to get a big pack. Read of people using steel rod, but that was something else I'd have to buy. Had an ah-ha moment and wondered if coins would fit. Dimes are too light and rattle to much. A penny will drop all the way in and sit flush. I piled pennies in until the diameter was big enough for a nickel to sit flush (tube ID is not equal all the way...it continuously narrows from the back to the front). Continued with nickels until I got closed enough to the end I could press a cork in tight enough that they don't rattle. The MOE stock makes more noise than the coins do. Probably less than $1 in coins.

Of course, it's all going to waste when my F1 is approved and the barrel gets cut down to 4.5".





Not $40...but I've bought about 10 sets in the last year and never paid more than $75. Deals are out there.

HA! I used a tube of rolled up nickels with some stuffing in front and behind it to add weight in the buffer tube to compensate for a heavy barrel shroud and light up front. Worked perfect. Nickels were just the right size and now I can say that I put some real money into my gun

 

[Vinney47]

I bought a set of the PTS for my 15-22 - while they look similar, the didn't function that well for me. They would not lay flat on the rail when folded down, which annoyed me enough to send them back. I just upgraded my standard mbus to pro's on the OR, so I am going to move the standard mbus over to the 22. Overkill, sure, but they lie flat .

Interestingly, the PTS's I bought used phillips, not torx. I know there has been some discussion about fake Magpul items on Amazon, as people expected strait screw heads (ie the standard model) and got torx, which was the tipoff that they were fake/PTS, I guess. Or maybe the phillips are fake, who knows. Magpul doesn't even make the PTS line anymore so I'd be leery of any PTS branded items now anyway.

Yeah, I hada bad experience trying to get PTS items for my 15-22 recently as well. The ones I got for ~$20 were decidedly fake. PTS is supposed to be near the quality of magpul USA, but what I got was so soft the sights crushed when tightening the mount screw (under normal torque).
While I really wanted a light weight cheap set of polymer folding sights, couldn't find any worth having (and not wanting to pay the asking price for magpul MBUS for my .22lr) and settled on some knock off YHM folding sights, metal. The rear one doesn't quite sit flush when folded, but it's close and the front sight is perfect.

 

[Decipher]

I bought a set of the PTS for my 15-22 - while they look similar, the didn't function that well for me. They would not lay flat on the rail when folded down, which annoyed me enough to send them back. I just upgraded my standard mbus to pro's on the OR, so I am going to move the standard mbus over to the 22. Overkill, sure, but they lie flat .

Interestingly, the PTS's I bought used phillips, not torx. I know there has been some discussion about fake Magpul items on Amazon, as people expected strait screw heads (ie the standard model) and got torx, which was the tipoff that they were fake/PTS, I guess. Or maybe the phillips are fake, who knows. Magpul doesn't even make the PTS line anymore so I'd be leery of any PTS branded items now anyway.

Interesting. I had my friend send me pics and I can see that mine do sit slightly more flush than his, but it's marginal. The screw vs torx thing is interesting. Maybe they've gotten worse, but the quality was extremely comparable when we had them side by side. Like I said, I do see a difference in how flat they lay now, but it's close. Functionality wise, we have fired each other's rifles and didn't detect any difference. Thanks for sharing.

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[photoracer]

Magpul is definitely a respected brand in the AR community. But not the best, which would cost you way more. While the Pmag is pretty much the standard it does have its drawbacks which is the main reason most 3-gunners have switched from the Pmag to the Lancer L5 Warfighter mags. Magpul tells you that little cap is a dust cover when in reality it is designed to keep the mag lips at the top from spreading out when you leave magazines loaded all the time. Try leaving it off for a couple of weeks and see that your mags will jam in the AR and be hard to get out. the Lancers have metal lips at the top so they don't need that plus they are available fully transparent so you can see how many rounds are in them, not just a window that some of the Pmag models have. I never had an issue with my Pmags when I used them for 3-gun but I meticulously made sure the caps were on when they were loaded. I switched to the Lancer Warfighters last year, except for my 48 rd extended Pmag which I kept. I also have a couple of the new 40 rd Pmags just to try out.

 

[gdnagle]

Yeah, I hada bad experience trying to get PTS items for my 15-22 recently as well. The ones I got for ~$20 were decidedly fake. PTS is supposed to be near the quality of magpul USA, but what I got was so soft the sights crushed when tightening the mount screw (under normal torque).

Just remember you have Magpul, Magpul PTS, and Chinese fakes

From James CHU at Magpul PTS.

Thanks for contacting tech support.



PTS products will normally carry the PTS logo or PTS markings directly on the product. It is uncommon for counterfeit items to carry the PTS logo directly on the product, also counterfeit items will be made from an inferior quality material to PTS, their form will not match genuine PTS products, and you can also expect to see production marks such as excessive flash etc amongst other details.



Please contact Magpul for counterfeit identification of Magpul products.





Thanks,



James

 

[Rob1]

On the original point, I must say I love the way you guys moan and whine about price difference. I purchased the MOE version in UK. I paid £750 sterling for it. £30 more than for standard. Not sure how that converts to Dollars US but am sure it's hell of a lot more than you guys are paying. As for the Magpul add ons. Butt stock in UK £70. Etc etc. So when I consider the "extras" included with MOE for me was a no brainer. As for other add ons. I can't even get Magpul here if it's not PTS due to import rules. I wish I had the choice and options you guys have but sadly I do not. The platform itself I think is fantastic for a 22. Only point I would like to add is that what you guys take as granted for us over this side the pond is an absolute nightmare with rules and regs. And as a result the ADDED cost attached in some cases is down right frightening. Love the system. Loathe the way that UK shooters constantly get ripped. That said. Keep turning bullets to brass.

£750 sterling works out to $1250 US when I looked at conversion. Mags are £35 each Magpul extras on MOE work out to £200 on prices found for UK Magpul supplier (not PTS parts).

 

[Decipher]

The hardest part for me to grasp is the fact that the extra bump in price for the MOE puts it so close to the .223 territory. I know the reason people choose 22 lr and they are the same reasons I'm looking right now. The problem for me is that, at the end of the day, this is JUST a 22 lr. As it is, the 15-22 is substantially more than the Mossberg contender. While no one can argue S&W is way nicer than the Mossberg, the price of the 715T is on par with what I would expect to pay for a 22. So, add the extra cost of the MOE version on top of an already expensive plinker, and you have a very expensive range toy.

Then, consider the fact that the MOE version is pure aesthetics as no one can truly argue a performance advantage over stock, and it becomes even harder to justify. I know people prefer the Magpul items. I sure do, but more so on my AR where the weight savings and upgrades actually DO have a bearing on performance. I am not passing judgement nor do I fault anyone for buying the MOE version. It is truly one heck of a deal, if aesthetic mean that much to you. I personally will save the extra money, use it towards an optic, and still shoot as good as you (or better with my optic).

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[cyphertext]

The hardest part for me to grasp is the fact that the extra bump in price for the MOE puts it so close to the .223 territory. I know the reason people choose 22 lr and they are the same reasons I'm looking right now. The problem for me is that, at the end of the day, this is JUST a 22 lr.

I get this... I really do. When my son turned 11, I bought the 15-22 for his birthday. It was difficult to lay down over $400 for that .22lr, when a perfectly good Ruger 10/22 is on the shelf right next to it for less than half the price!

But here was the deal for me... I already had a 10/22 at home, and the boy was not interested in it. When he opened up that 15-22 and saw that he had an "AR 15", he became excited about the idea of going to the range and shooting. We have since added a slightly used Magpul stock and Magpul BUS to his rifle, again all for looks. It lets him make it "his own", even though there are probably a million out there that look just like it.

Think of it like a custom car. It is added flair that makes it look fast, even when sitting still.

 

[Decipher]

^ That's great and you have added valuable father-son time money can't buy. Way to go!

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[pgamboa]

I get this... I really do. When my son turned 11, I bought the 15-22 for his birthday. It was difficult to lay down over $400 for that .22lr, when a perfectly good Ruger 10/22 is on the shelf right next to it for less than half the price!



But here was the deal for me... I already had a 10/22 at home, and the boy was not interested in it. When he opened up that 15-22 and saw that he had an "AR 15", he became excited about the idea of going to the range and shooting. We have since added a slightly used Magpul stock and Magpul BUS to his rifle, again all for looks. It lets him make it "his own", even though there are probably a million out there that look just like it.



Think of it like a custom car. It is added flair that makes it look fast, even when sitting still.

I originally bought the 15-22 for myself to learn the platform and to eventually teach my boys (14, 10, 8). We all love it so much. I have moved to owning an MP15 MOE and have let my boys customize the 15-22. TRS-25, CMC Trigger, Zombje Hunter Mag Release and Charging Handle. They enjoy it, and now learning to clean it.

Bonding time is priceless!!


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[78Staff]

I'm about to pull the trigger (pun intended) on a 15-22 and have been kicking around which model I want. After handling the MOE version yesterday, I realized the MOE version seems like a hard justification for the price tag... <snipped>

Maybe it's just me, but the Subject of this posts bugs me. Maybe "15-22 MOE cost justifiable?" or something like that.

 

[Decipher]

The subject isn't for the faint of heart! :beer:

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[JAT3]

I bought both. A Moe for my son. Which I paid the same for as my sport but when he gets excited and blasts a few off he generally won't dump a mag but he is a kid it costs very little in comparison to when he does the same with my sport. Also bought the standard in muddy girl pink camo for the better half. She just doesn't care for the full size which I do t understand she will shoot her 20ga all day but whatever and I paid a premium for the pink paint also. Do I regret either purchase not one bit. We go out as a family and we shoot and have a lot of fun. Honestly they generally do most ofthe shooting but they are getting very good and safety levels have went way up iI'm so happy with the fun they are having I'd pay double what I did and leave my guns at the store.

 

[rusty47]

I just purchased the Moe 15-22 a couple days ago. The price I paid was $419.99 plus tax and I am well pleased with the purchase. Can't wait till the weather warms up so I can sight her in and do some shooting. Am planning on putting a red dot on at a later date. Love the looks and feel of the 15-22.

 

[Decipher]

Where did you find that price?!? That's by far the lowest price I've ever seen for the MOE.

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[Rob1]

WOW, that really is a good price guys. I just done the Math on my MOE in UK works out at $1250. I must say, after some light warm ups with it (500RDS) I do think it was likely the most fun I have had with a .22 for a long time. Just a shame I had to pay such a premium. Over all very impressed with it and really cant wait for my boy to reach an age where I can take him out and start teaching him how to use it safely. He only 4 ATM.

 

[jeepke]

moe 15-22 a rip-off

Wel hello shooters in the USA and the UK the price of the moe 15--22 is a little lower in the Netherlands than the UK, i payed 960 dollar for my 15-22 i put in a jp trigger 25 dollar, now its working fine for me.When i see the prices in the USA i get sick the are so low!!!,and you ar shooting with your kids,no go in the Netherlands only airguns under 18 year,and we need a permid (after one year being a member of a shooting club you can get a permit,(for smal caliber),after 2 years the real thing,no problem with ammo here,the only thing is gun powder.hard to get for the reloaders.

 

[tomcatt51]

I keep seeing this thread and think "rip off" is a bit much.To me they're just not cost effective. What the MOE version has is just bling I don't have a use for or want to pay for. For me the threaded barrel base model was most attractive.

 

[headcase650]

For me its a steal. I want my 15-22 set up like my Daniel Defense. At current Rifle Gear prices I got $166 worth of stuff for the $80 up charge over the standard model. Add another 40 or 50 bucks for a QD sling mount that clamps over the buffer tube that I don't have to buy. Ive added the NDZ BAD thingy, put on a Magpul vertical grip and an RSA. Ordered a Vortex Sparc too. This thing should run exactly like its big brother in the dark.

 

[alreds]

I got mine at Academy for ~$500.00 and I'm really happy with it. As others have said, I also want my 15-22 to look like its big brothers, my Colt 6920 and the Bushmaster C15.