Montana Grizzly Mauling

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I saw an article this morning that a Guide in Yellowstone National Park was severely mauled by a grizzly a few days ago, he died after 2 surgeries. He was fishing when attacked. The rangers found a partially eaten moose carcass about 50 yards from the site of the attack, they assume the bear was defending the moose carcass. He was carrying bear spray but it is unknown if he used it or not.
 
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I have been following this story and have seen nothing to indicate that
the Montana man was a guide. The man the grizzly killed was Carl Mack
of West Yellowstone, Montana. He was fishing in the Madison River when
he was attacked and mauled.

I did read one news report that said Mack was a Guide, but they
also said he was killed in the forest, so I don't know about their
credibility.

The grizzly charged 7 game wardens who were investigating the scene
when he was shot and killed. Officials are confident that the killed grizzly
is the one that attacked the fisherman.

That part of the Madison River is one of the most beautiful fly fishing
streams in all of God's creation.
 

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It is a light snow year and early for bears. For whatever reason this one woke on the ornery side. Fishing the Madison N of West Yellowstone would put the bear outside Park boundaries.
 
I don't know anyone that has spent any time at all near running water that hasn't been surprised by a bear at one time or another in their life. They are amazingly quiet when walking on their well worn paths and only really make a racket when going off trail. I was doing some prospecting with a new metal detector that a buddy sent home with me to try out, I had ear phones on so I could hear the pings and pongs, came around a bend in the crick and stood ten or twelve feet from a good sized black bear equally intent on spawning Kokanee, we both went our seperate ways instantly. I was always super careful when going over the breaks into the neighbor watershed because we had a strain of grizzly there on the Granby river, a small pocket of bears that were smaller than your standard grizzly...they still look huge. That was the only place I ever met another hiker in Canada that carried a firearm, he had a 12gauge slug gun over his should, said "Bears scare me."
I could easily see how a guy could get caught up in fishing and come around a small bend catch a bear off guard with the wind in his face, bears just do what comes natural to them and defending a kill after getting surprised is natural...sure beats the hell out of dying in your own mess in a nursing home.
 
Nice warm spring day, bear chows down and then naps by carrion pile, hard to see or hear a sleeping bear. Easy to wake though. Surprise!

Bears ambush and take down a calf or even a full grown elk. Faster than a quarter horse for a short distance and can sprint about 35mph, the speed of a deer.

Lets say he is a whole 50 yrds away when he charges out out nowhere, You got about 5 seconds to grab your "bear" gun and nail him. If he comes boiling out of the bushes 10 yds away he has got you.
 
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I don't think bear spray or a 44 magnum are going to work if the bear makes a sudden and determine charge from close range. Once he has you either may or may not work. Your going to need a pile of luck, 44 mag or bear spray once he has you. Ya I would rather pop him in the head with a 44, but getting in a fatal shot while being rag dolled wouldn't be any kind of cinch. A bunch of bear spray all over you and him may just work. I sure hope I never find out.

If you see a bear from 100 yds, he probably will not be able to see you well enough to figure you out. I would stay stalk still then slowly back away. I am in the big bore pistol camp, just believe if a bear charges me from close up, I will need some luck to go with my gun. 5 seconds to realize what is happening, draw and fire at a closing bear would intense, to say the very least.
 
We'll never come to any conclusive answer which means of defense is "better" in any given situation. There are simply too many factors in each individual encounter.

Statistically, looking at known cases over time, a bear spray defense has been shown to be less likely to result in injuries or death than guns. But bear attacks happen so rarely that this is really no guarantee of anything regarding a specific encounter.

Both guns and spray can malfunction, or more likely you fumble deployment or miss because, daydreaming about heroics back home, you had no idea how your brain would really respond to 800 pounds of furious cannonball flying at you.

Compare it to gunfights, especially if you swear by guns as bear defense. Armed people including cops get shot and killed all the time without being able to deploy their guns due to surprise. On the other hand, people get shot, often multiple times and sometimes fatally, and stay in the fight. Why wouldn't a bear?

So best to practice with and carry both, and hope you make the right judgment call. And keep things in perspective. You're still more likely to break a leg and die of hypothermia before somebody finds you ;)
 
BEARS and .44 MAGNUM

In 1981 I began a series of pack trips into the BEARTOOTH WILDERNESS with my friend who was outfitter. We would ride from trailhead at NYE, Montana south all the way to Frenchy's Meadow and camp there . After 10 days we would ride out into Yellowstone passing by SILVERTIP RANCH. We would be picked up at Wyoming trailhead and driven back to RED LODGE where I parked the airplane. I first arrived with a MODEL 27-2 5" . My friend said nothing but a .44 MAG would be effective on 8' tall 800 # grizzly. So next year I had MOD 29 4". We were riding along the trail and I asked him what would happen if you shot a charging grizzly boar in the heart 6 times with a .44 mag. He thought for awhile and said " He probably won't kill the guy behind you."
 
Never done it myself but have a good friend that worked as a guide up in Alaska where the big browns live. He hated it when a client would wound a big bear, very few clients were of any use to go in and finish the animal. He swore by a twelve gauge pump, first rounds were buckshot used to either blind or stun the animal if it charged, the rest were heavy slugs which will break the animal down and kill it. You don't have enough time to process the amount of danger you are in if you are charged at close range by a big bear, even well trained and experienced people have been killed at close range by big bears. The only bears I have any real experience with are black bears and have only seen one of those actually make me like I was on the menu. I have come up real close to black bears and even had the one make a bluff charge at me when she had cubs in the area, I was a teenager at the time and knew enough to back my way out of there as quickly as I could without ever taking my eyes off her, trying to keep something between me and the bear as much as possible. I think too many bears are needlessly killed by over exuberant naybobs, I don't make my living off livestock and have a deep appreciation for wildlife.
 
Running water

I don't know anyone that has spent any time at all near running water that hasn't been surprised by a bear at one time or another in their life. They are amazingly quiet when walking on their well worn paths and only really make a racket when going off trail. I was doing some prospecting with a new metal detector that a buddy sent home with me to try out, I had ear phones on so I could hear the pings and pongs, came around a bend in the crick and stood ten or twelve feet from a good sized black bear equally intent on spawning Kokanee, we both went our seperate ways instantly. I was always super careful when going over the breaks into the neighbor watershed because we had a strain of grizzly there on the Granby river, a small pocket of bears that were smaller than your standard grizzly...they still look huge. That was the only place I ever met another hiker in Canada that carried a firearm, he had a 12gauge slug gun over his should, said "Bears scare me."
I could easily see how a guy could get caught up in fishing and come around a small bend catch a bear off guard with the wind in his face, bears just do what comes natural to them and defending a kill after getting surprised is natural...sure beats the hell out of dying in your own mess in a nursing home.

I have running water in my kitchen and haven't been scared by a bear yet.
 
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