Montanans and electric cars

I only have one term for you to ponder. Thermal runaway. Just hope it does not happen in your garage. Your house will be gone. I have nothing against EVs, just a healthy respect for the risks associated with any new technology

I would never park an EV inside a garage, ever, even if it were sprinklered.
Not even in my driveway.
 
If they keep pushing this issue, I will be going back to this:

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And I will be driving on public roads too, slowing down their super-fast battery powered toy cars, and then I will be laughing when they run over horse manure and slide into the ditch!
 

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If they keep pushing this issue, I will be going back to this:

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And I will be driving on public roads too, slowing down their super-fast battery powered toy cars, and then I will be laughing when they run over horse manure and slide into the ditch!

LOL, first they WILL make you put a manure catcher under you horses rear and you will be responsible for any that hits the deck. Many sections of roadway have a minimum speed. The good old days of horse manure on the roadways is long gone.

But, hey the Amish are still using horses. Of course they pay us "moderns" to drive them whenever they go over a few miles. There is an Amish community just 15 miles from here, I see Amish in town all the time. I have yet to see any come to town on a horse or by wagon. My brother lives about the same distance from another Amish community. Same thing there.

There are lots and lots of horses and riders around here. In Montana there are nearly 130,000 registered (by breed) horses, nobody has any clue as to how many unregistered ones. Probably a horse for every 5 people in this state. Here, in our town, we have a lot of hitching post on the main drag. We are a very relaxed community, rule wise, I see 4 wheeler and drive my side by side on the street all the time. But, except for parades about the only time I see a horse in town is in the winter, a guy will get out his sleigh from time to time. Wonder why that is, can't be because it takes time and is a pain to saddle or hitch up a horse, they are slow, not as comfortable, leak real bad when it rains, have no air conditioning or heater, can it? You can't just turn the key off on them either

A good horse travels at about 50 miles per day and I don't imagine many hotels or motels have stables anymore. The feed, the barn, the farrier and vet will add up. You can park a internal combustion or a EV and it will just sit there, a horse will continue to eat drink and exhaust day in day out. If you think a 8" spot of oil on the garage floor is ugly wait till you use a horse. I imagine your trash service will probably say no to that big load of manure your gonna need to get rid of every week too.

Good luck. LOL
 
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LOL, first they WILL make you put a manure catcher under you horses rear and you will be responsible for any that hits the deck. Many sections of roadway have a minimum speed. The good old days of horse manure on the roadways is long gone.

:D :D :D

Honestly, I don't even know how it works.... can I have a carriage on regular roads? Yes, I've seen them in downtown San Antonio for city tours, but could I go on a road trip with them? Even if it's just side roads? Does my carriage need lights? License plate?

So confusing :eek: :confused:
 
:D :D :D

Honestly, I don't even know how it works.... can I have a carriage on regular roads? Yes, I've seen them in downtown San Antonio for city tours, but could I go on a road trip with them? Even if it's just side roads? Does my carriage need lights? License plate?

So confusing :eek: :confused:

Sure you can.

Doesn't need a plate

You do have to stay off of "limited access" highways

You do need one of these on the back:

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Edit: You may want to look into rubber/polymer shoes as consistent riding on hard pavement is connected to laminitis. :eek:
 
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Most of the Amish around here have rubber tires on their carriages and often fiberglass spokes. One I am friends with has one with metal rims, but it has Fiberglas spokes and a layer of rubber under the rim. Most of them also have a battery powered lights and a red tail light on the left side for at night. The all have the warning triangle. They also have very well trained horses wearing blinders. The only time I see them on the highway they are hugging the shoulder. Close to the community there are road signs showing a horse and buggy. But, you might run into some one on horse back about anywhere on the unpaved roads in this state. But other than the Amish, I do not believe I have ever seen a carriage, Old wagons are all over the country though just very seldom actually used. I did see a horse drawn sheep wagon on the highway once. It was at night and I come up over a hill behind it and saw it just in time to slow down. Oh and one of the funeral homes in my home down has a horse draw hearse you can make the final ride in for an extra fee.


Interestingly enough I think the Amish could decide to use a EV, as they use batteries everywhere for everrything. The local Amish store has regular electricity. Each community's elders decide what is "right" for their community. They have a saw mill and I have seen them running a diesel fork lift as well as an electric fork lift there. But, they never travel very far by horse or buggy. The hire a driver. Driving Amish can be a hoot as well as both educational and nourishing. They actual travel a lot,m seldom via actual horse power
 
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Except nobody wants that so we are stuck with fuel injection which still burns liquid gas.

Liquid gasoline doesn't burn, the vapor (fumes to you) burns. Injectors atomize the fuel which is then vaporized so it will burn. Carburetors vaporized the fuel but are not as efficient as fuel injection.
 
Sure you can.

Doesn't need a plate

You do have to stay off of "limited access" highways

You do need one of these on the back:


Edit: You may want to look into rubber/polymer shoes as consistent riding on hard pavement is connected to laminitis. :eek:

Very nice, thank you. Easy enough.

I keep looking at new Wagoneers...

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... when I should be looking for this :D :D :D

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These Wagoneers are beautiful vehicles, but the least expensive on the lot is $73K :eek:

Might as well buy a chariot/carriage :D

And yes, rubber shoes for the horses and wheels would be absolutely neccessary ;)

In the world of real racing, where people turn left AND right, they are already racing EVs. The Official Home of Formula E | FIA Formula E

Plenty of road courses in NASCAR ;)
 

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$73k for a Wagoneer?!? A 1500 Suburban goes for over $80k last time I checked. :eek::eek::eek:

That's why I'm lovin' my fully depreciated, rust free, '99 K2500.
Only 200k on the clock. ;)

As my mechanic says: "As long as it's not rusty, everything else can be rectified".
 
Responding to points a couple have made here. One of my major beefs with a large majority of cars currently produced is the LCD display used to control stuff better left to knobs or other mechanical switches. Like radio-excuse me, infotainment center, HVAC and so forth. When my wife bought her car, even after our test drive and the decision to buy, the sales person started talking about "connectivity". At that point, I cut him off and politely explained that we were here to purchase transportation, not phone or internet service. He paused, said they were supposed to raise that subject and thanked me for saving the time.

The idiot enabling nannies are another factor.

Someone else brought up Formula E. The racing is interesting but the whine of electric motors is oddly distracting. And disappointing, but that's conditioning, and I doubt they approach the speeds of Formula 1.

Dunno if it's still true, but back when I still lived in PA, there was a law on the books in Pittsburgh that required any inn in the city to provide stabling and fodder for the horses of any guest.

When I first moved to VA, there was a business near Charlottesville that would build you a hybrid if you brought them a new Toyota PU. They'd pull and sell the engine/transmission to reduce your cost. You got an electric motor, batteries (lead-acid) and a diesel twin engine of about 22-25 HP. Mileage was claimed at near 90 mpg, but don't know how fast you'd climb Afton Mountain on I-64. EPA apparently put them out of business.
 
Greed

Electric cars
You can bet your last volt, amp, and ohm, that the powers that are, won't be offering the batteries that were developed, and used in space travel, for use in today's electric vehicles, at this time. That won't come about until it's absolutely necessary.
History is a great teacher, if observed.

At the very heart of this situation lies, MONEY & GREED!

Chubbo
 
Electric cars
You can bet your last volt, amp, and ohm, that the powers that are, won't be offering the batteries that were developed, and used in space travel, for use in today's electric vehicles, at this time. That won't come about until it's absolutely necessary.
History is a great teacher, if observed.

At the very heart of this situation lies, MONEY & GREED!

Chubbo

As foretold in the movie "Cold Fusion".
 
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