More power than .38, less rowdy than .357 Mag?
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WWB 110gr HP's out of my Mod.60 arn't painful. And probably have more oomph then .38 SPL+P.
125 gr get my attention. 158gr hurt so bad I checked to see if the gun had exploded.
My conclusion is. If you want to shoot 'full bore' .357's, you don't want a 'j frame'.
125 gr get my attention. 158gr hurt so bad I checked to see if the gun had exploded.
My conclusion is. If you want to shoot 'full bore' .357's, you don't want a 'j frame'.
Big Cholla
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The cartridge you are looking for has been around for over 50 years. It is the .38 Super. Available in several very small autoloader frames and in a few revolvers using moon clips. This cartridge seems to be inherently accurate. Modern ammo with the latest bullet design has only improved the performance of the Super. A smaller 1911 style frame is flat and very concealable by anyone of small stature. I like it well enough to often carry concealed a 1911 Colt Commander 'cocked and locked'. To my dismay only LEO's and IPSC/IDPA gamesmen seem to know and appreciate this cartridge. ........ Big Cholla
Buffalo Bore 38 spec +P. Has 9mm velocity out of snubs:
tem 20A: 158gr., very soft cast, semi wad cutter, (Keith) hollow cavity, with a gas check. This bullet will mushroom violently on impact and will penetrate roughly 14 inches in human flesh. Again, this bullet is gas checked and will not lead your barrel.
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch- 1040 fps (379 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch- 1059 fps (393 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch- 1143 fps (458 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch- 1162 fps (474 ft. lbs.)
Item 20B: 125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point. This is the Low velocity version designed to expand under 800 fps. It will mushroom violently and penetrate roughly 12 inches in human flesh.
a. S&W mod 60, 2 inch- 1072 fps (319 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod 66, 2.5 inch- 1108 fps (341 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch- 1180 fps (386 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch- 1258 fps (439 ft. lbs.)
tem 20A: 158gr., very soft cast, semi wad cutter, (Keith) hollow cavity, with a gas check. This bullet will mushroom violently on impact and will penetrate roughly 14 inches in human flesh. Again, this bullet is gas checked and will not lead your barrel.
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch- 1040 fps (379 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch- 1059 fps (393 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch- 1143 fps (458 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch- 1162 fps (474 ft. lbs.)
Item 20B: 125gr. Jacketed Hollow Point. This is the Low velocity version designed to expand under 800 fps. It will mushroom violently and penetrate roughly 12 inches in human flesh.
a. S&W mod 60, 2 inch- 1072 fps (319 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod 66, 2.5 inch- 1108 fps (341 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch- 1180 fps (386 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch- 1258 fps (439 ft. lbs.)
m657
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On the 8th day, the Lord created the 41 Mag.......
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I still think that while speed and power are fine, accuracy is final.
Mickey D
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Yes. .44 spl or the .45 Colt are both great cartridges and easy to handle.
Someone post pictures already.
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Evil One
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Yes. .44 spl or the .45 Colt are both great cartridges and easy to handle.
Someone post pictures already.
Well... since you asked...
I LOVE .44 spl and .45 acp.
Jim
feralmerril
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I agree with feralmerril, .44 special or .45 colt.
The 38spl+p is really comparative to a lot of 357 stock ammo, and the two become even closer when fired from a snubby barrel, where a lot off your potential velocity may be lost compared to a longer barrel. Also, in most of my shorter barreled 357 mags, muzzle blast is an issue, epsecially at night.
I also would agree with several folks on here and say 44spl, versatility increses big time if you hand load; but for that matter, if you were using a 3.5" M 27 those 357 mags wouldn't seem near as rough as in a K frame, or even L frame.
I also would agree with several folks on here and say 44spl, versatility increses big time if you hand load; but for that matter, if you were using a 3.5" M 27 those 357 mags wouldn't seem near as rough as in a K frame, or even L frame.
OP
Triggernosis
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Thanks guys and gals, this has been very enlightening. I think I really need to get with somebody that has a collection of different size & caliber revolvers and try some out to see what I get along best with.
stiab
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Actually, you can shoot certain brands of 38 Super out of your modern S&W revolvers. I am not recommending it for everyone, but it can be done.
When hearing this for the first time many people say "NO" because the 38 Super is an semi-auto round and does not have a rim to hold it in the cylder. Wrong - it does have a rim.
Or they will confuse it with the 9mm and say it has a tapered case and cannot fit in a .38 or .357 chamber. Wrong - it has a straight case.
Modern Winchester and Magtech 38 Super rounds will fit in modern .38 Special and .357 revolvers, same thing for many Colts. Some older (70's) models will not accomodate them. Other brands of factory ammo will not work.
YogiBear
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Aloha,
Any 3" Mountain Gun that starts with a 4- shooting a Heavy bullet at less than 900 fps is what you're looking for.
Cowboy loads in a 45 Colt chambered Mtn gun.........
Reallllly wimpy.
Any 3" Mountain Gun that starts with a 4- shooting a Heavy bullet at less than 900 fps is what you're looking for.
Cowboy loads in a 45 Colt chambered Mtn gun.........
Reallllly wimpy.
OP
Triggernosis
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I'm beginning to like the .44 Spec. or .45 Colt idea....
alphabrace
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.45 Colt
Is the .45 colt also known as the 45 long colt?
Is the .45 colt also known as the 45 long colt?
Catshooter
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Mickey D
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Yes. Officially .45 Colt. Long Colt was added as to distinguish from .45acp
For what it's worth, I occasionally shoot 357 out of a 640-1, an all steel J-frame. Have some Jordan Troopers from Herretts on it that cover the back strap, too. It's quite comfortable.
A good set of grips/stocks will make a difference, too, in comfort.
To Barb's and Wheelgunners point, 357 from an N-frame is no problem at all for most people.
A good set of grips/stocks will make a difference, too, in comfort.
To Barb's and Wheelgunners point, 357 from an N-frame is no problem at all for most people.
Uncle Larry
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And speaking of...what ever happened to the 327 Federal any way? It seems to have dissapeared off of the face of the earth.
crofoot629
Absent Comrade
I'm with you, maybe?
I've never been able to shoot the .357 well, too much muzzle blast and recoil. To big for light work and to small for heavy work? (ducking and running for cover)
You have many choices that I think are better and fit the bill you are looking for.
As others have mentioned, the 44 special is a ***** cat compared to the 357 in revolvers of the same weight. I however would be inclined to go .45 acp for the same reasons, and the ammo is cheaper than 44spc, and there is a much greater selection of 45 acp ammo. I'd rather have either a 44 spc or 45 acp for self defense than 38 spc or 357 mag. See my second paragraph.
If you want to go to an autoloader I find both the 45 acp and 40 S&W much easier to shoot than the 357 mag. I'd also rather have a high cap 9mm than a 38 spc.
You almost have too many choices, you're certainly not stuck with the 38/357 choice, and you can get what you want with a mainstream cartridge. Sorry 327 Federal.
Emory
I've never been able to shoot the .357 well, too much muzzle blast and recoil. To big for light work and to small for heavy work? (ducking and running for cover)
You have many choices that I think are better and fit the bill you are looking for.
As others have mentioned, the 44 special is a ***** cat compared to the 357 in revolvers of the same weight. I however would be inclined to go .45 acp for the same reasons, and the ammo is cheaper than 44spc, and there is a much greater selection of 45 acp ammo. I'd rather have either a 44 spc or 45 acp for self defense than 38 spc or 357 mag. See my second paragraph.
If you want to go to an autoloader I find both the 45 acp and 40 S&W much easier to shoot than the 357 mag. I'd also rather have a high cap 9mm than a 38 spc.
You almost have too many choices, you're certainly not stuck with the 38/357 choice, and you can get what you want with a mainstream cartridge. Sorry 327 Federal.
Emory
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