Why isn't 357 sig popular?

Converted my M&P 40 TO 357 Sig

I really like shooting the 357Sig rounds I used a KKM stainless barrel to convert from 40 cal , uses the same mag Only negative is the cost and availability of ammo, I solved that by reloading using a 115gr FN copper clad bullet. Best of both guns in one. I also have a Sig 226 MK25 9MM with a .22lr conversion.
Probably like posted it isn't a very popular round much as the 10mm, never seen anyone at the range shooting either one of them
 
not mainstream because it's not easy or fast to reload. ok for police who don't reload but i will have no interest in it because of the necked case.
Reloding the 357sig became easy because of the tips I received on this forum they are supposed to be loaded like necked rifle cartridges with the lube etc. Found out running it through a 40 cal die and then through a 357 die solved that. Have done about 500 of them so far
 
In praise of the .357Sig!

Sig P229 Equinox 40S&W.jpg

WOW! What a rollicking discussion!

As someone else noted, the OP was asking only why the round is not more popular for competition! I think that was answered quite well by several contributors.

One thing that many can’t seem to agree on is the power of the .357Sig. The best response I saw was that it was intended to give performance near the 125-gr .357 Magnum load in a shorter barrel, 4”, I think. It clearly does that.

I see “Colt SAA” has contributed to this discussion. In another one, he related what longer barrels do for the round, and it is astounding, to me. So, while a 4” barrel may have been the goal, a 5” or 6” barrel really steps up the power, far more than for any 9mm. I am currently waiting for a 5” barrel for my Sig P226 X-5 All Around.

A former employer had been issuing 9mm Berettas and Sigs, issuing +P and what I think was +P+ ammo, and we were all quite happy with them. Many liked the .40S&W when it became available.

Some of us, and I was one, did not like the .40 and never shot it particularly well. Still don’t. I’m told that’s because it has a significantly different “pulse.” OKtherethen. Whoopdeedoo.

The armorer and training officers did comparisons of the 357Sig to 9mm+P and +P+ (I think). They conclusively demonstrated that the 357Sig shot appreciably flatter and delivered better penetration at distance that 9mm+P. I was one of many who found we could shoot the .357Sig better than the .40S&W. I qualified with it in a P229, equaling my performance with the 9mm P228 and +P ammo.

I still have a P229/357Sig, and one with the .40S&W barrel, so I can shoot them side by side. I always do better with the 357Sig. Get out to 25 meters or so (sorry, I had a metric employer) and I do WAAAY better with the 357Sig. I watched one guy lean his Beretta 96/357Sig against the windshield post of a Land Rover and hit beer bottles at more than 35 meters.

The fact is, ammo of all calibers has been improving and I’m not convinced that the 357Sig in a short barrel gives any real advantage over modern 9mm+P. Put it in a Beretta 96 with a 357Sig barrel, however, and the increased performance eclipses pretty much everything except the true .357 Magnum. Same for a 5” M&P and, from what “Colt SAA” says, the Sig P226 X5. I’d love to try it in a 1911 frame.

I used the round in competition because it was what I carried. I can’t reload it worth a cluck so since retiring and losing access to free ammo I buy it in 500-round packs from Georgia Arms.
 
In IDPA, you would be competing with 9mm minor. So unless you reload, you are giving up a lot in recoil for the same 9mm hole. I have shot mine in IDPA with full power ammo, just as practice, but if competing, 9mm, 357sig, 40, all go into the same div PF wise. I can reload 40 minor to the same recoil level as 9mm minor & a slightly bigger hole.
 
Most of the commercial .357 Sig ammo on the market is "watered down". If the .357 Sig is loaded to its potential, then it can produce as much energy as a .357 magnum.

.357 Magnum Speer Gold Dot LE Loads (at muzzle)...
125 Grain, 1450 FPS, 584 ft/lbs
158 Grain, 1235 FPS, 535 ft/lbs

.357 Sig Underwood Ammo (at muzzle)...
115 Grain, 1550 FPS, 614 ft/lbs
125 Grain, 1475 FPS, 604 ft/lbs
147 Grain, 1250 FPS, 510 ft/lbs
 
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