Mossberg Shockwave...

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quite a while back i started a thread on the Serbu Super Shorty. it got quite a bit of mixed feelings, and some harsh critique... so, instead of buying one, and filing a tax stamp, i passed. I did however just buy the new 590 Shockwave. no stamp as its a "firearm" not an "sbs" or "aow". gotta admit, not a lot of real practical use for it, but i wanted it. who knows, zombies may already be walking among us... recoil is as figured, a bit stout. the grip however is actually quite comfortable. got the opsol minishell adapter, and the lil shorty shells run just fine in it. 100 of them so far without a hitch. i'm thinking this will make a fine companion for the summer road/camping trips with my family. you never know when a snake or rabid beastie may need to be dealt with. i guess its hardly practical, but does serve a purpose. frankly, its just cool and i wanted it. for the record, these are hard to find. i got one with shipping for just under 400 transferred, so not a huge amount of cash. what say you?
 
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I don't how much mim is in the shockwave but I know one guy already had his trigger break on his.

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I am saving for the Remington equivalent, and the lower power ammunition for it.
 
KSDeputy said:
I am saving for the Remington equivalent, and the lower power ammunition for it.
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I was thinking Remington over mossberg, too, but then I got to thinking about the location of the safety. I think the mossberg with its safety mounted on the rear of the receiver might be easier to access than the Remington one mounted down by the trigger guard. Thoughts?

My reason for the weapon would be room defense or car defense. Great weapon for repelling carjackers, etc.
 
I am also a faithful follower of Mr Remington's 870. When I got to handle a Mossberg shockwave at the Bill Hicks Show in Minneapolis, I was hooked on the layout of the gun. The Shockwave grip lends itself easily to the top mounted safety. When you put a regular pistol grip on a Mossberg, I can't stand it, you can't get to the safety unless you totally change your grip on the gun. With the shockwave grip, it puts my thumb at the top of the grip anyway. I am interested in getting an 870 equivalent to see how the grip stretches out the hand and how easy it will be to get to the safety.
 
I don't "need" a small shotgun right now, so I'm going to hold off awhile and watch how this plays out.

Two things make me hesitant-
  1. I don't really care for the safety's location. Might be convenient for use, but it seems like you run a big risk of tearing up the webbing between your thumb and index finger. Hickok45, a guy with bigger hands and a lot more shooting experience than me, has his hand bandaged up on his video due to that issue. I guess I just don't want the only think keeping this from knocking my teeth out to be the meat in my hand.
  2. I also don't trust the various government agencies to just let this pass as a regular firearm. I don't want to get a letter in a few months saying "register or surrender"
 
scoobysnacker said:
I don't "need" a small shotgun right now, so I'm going to hold off awhile and watch how this plays out.

Two things make me hesitant-
  1. I don't really care for the safety's location. Might be convenient for use, but it seems like you run a big risk of tearing up the webbing between your thumb and index finger. Hickok45, a guy with bigger hands and a lot more shooting experience than me, has his hand bandaged up on his video due to that issue. I guess I just don't want the only think keeping this from knocking my teeth out to be the meat in my hand.
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I agree, one should be hesitant about using tools improperly. Hickok45 said in the video that he was shooting the Shockwave one-handed purposely with a loose grip. I enjoy his videos and he's demonstrated excellent gun handling over many years, but even Hickok45 isn't exempt from the universal truth... stupid is as stupid does.

I followed the advice/technique in this Thunder Ranch video.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8[/ame]
 
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i'm NOT a mossberg guy... my son is named Remington for a reason. if my wife would have let me, his middle name would be 870. that said, ambi safety and 5+ 1 vs 4+1 made me do it. i will further test and beat this 590 to see if it'll hold up. mean time, an 870 with Hogue tamer pistol grip and fore-end will be the go to for road duty...
 
jay72 said:
Is the Remington available yet?
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have not seen one as of yet, local or online stores. if i could have found one first, it'd been my first choice. sooner or later they'll figure out how to run shorter shells in it i guess... but that sealed the deal for me.
 
I was lucky enough to handle both brands a/b at a recent show. Specs aside, which show only a few ounces more weight with the 870, it felt distinctly more muzzle heavy than the Mossy. The easy ambi safety and rearset action release more two of my fave Mossy traits, as I show longarms LH.
 
Received mine and shot it a few days ago. First impressions are good although I need a lot of practice with it. Heaviest load was some #4 buck. Can't imagine an #00 magnum load through it :eek:.

Tried it from the hip and as above in the Thunder Ranch video and shooting up high is a little awkward on my right wrist. With practice, I'll get better though. I shot some aquila 7 1/2 through it and it was like nothing at all (all I could find in aquila minis). I've got some Exotic Shorty #4 buck ordered (couldn't find the aquila) and looking forward to trying them out.

Overall? Cool gun that will be deployed bedside and for show when guests are over for dinner... :D

Pleased with my purchase!
 
The location of the safety is the reason for my choice. I have shot nothing but Remington shotguns and rifles since I was 10 years old. I bought two Mossberg shotguns, and the top safety drove me nuts. I sold them, and bought an 870 and 1100. I always instinctively feel behind the trigger guard for the safety, I will make certain it is there.
 
As others have mentioned, the fore end strap seems like it might be problematic. Is it riveted in place? Cuz if I had one of these, I'd like to tighten it up (although that would make it harder to insert my hand in the first place), or replace the fore end with one with a pronounced hand stop.

fdw said:
Received mine and shot it a few days ago. First impressions are good although I need a lot of practice with it. Heaviest load was some #4 buck. Can't imagine an #00 magnum load through it :eek:.

Tried it from the hip and as above in the Thunder Ranch video and shooting up high is a little awkward on my right wrist. With practice, I'll get better though. I shot some aquila 7 1/2 through it and it was like nothing at all (all I could find in aquila minis). I've got some Exotic Shorty #4 buck ordered (couldn't find the aquila) and looking forward to trying them out.

Overall? Cool gun that will be deployed bedside and for show when guests are over for dinner... :D

Pleased with my purchase!
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Actually, a 2 3/4", 27 pellet-count #4 load weighs about 559 gr. A 9 count #00 load weighs about 484, so you already shot heavier than 00 loads. I like 20 pellets of #1, for 810 gr.
 
codenamedave said:
As others have mentioned, the fore end strap seems like it might be problematic. Is it riveted in place? Cuz if I had one of these, I'd like to tighten it up (although that would make it harder to insert my hand in the first place), or replace the fore end with one with a pronounced hand stop.



Actually, a 2 3/4", 27 pellet-count #4 load weighs about 559 gr. A 9 count #00 load weighs about 484, so you already shot heavier than 00 loads. I like 20 pellets of #1, for 810 gr.
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It's screwed in place. Four screws. You can back them out and buff the holes down a bit. No worries.

3" #4 Buck is highly uncomfortable; 41 little sumaguns trying to break your wrist. I have not shot 2¾" and don't intend to. I use the Federal LE1321B (2¾" Low Recoil Flitecontrol #1B) and 158000 (3" 000 Buck)and the Winchester 3" #1 Buck. Super tight patterns out to 30+yards with the Flitecontrol, 000 patterns really well, 3" #1 maintains a good full pattern as distance increases and is available locally.

What load is giving you 20 #1 Buck? Sounds like a baby(2¾") magnum...share the good news!
 
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fdw said:
Received mine and shot it a few days ago. First impressions are good although I need a lot of practice with it. Heaviest load was some #4 buck. Can't imagine an #00 magnum load through it :eek:.

Tried it from the hip and as above in the Thunder Ranch video and shooting up high is a little awkward on my right wrist. With practice, I'll get better though. I shot some aquila 7 1/2 through it and it was like nothing at all (all I could find in aquila minis). I've got some Exotic Shorty #4 buck ordered (couldn't find the aquila) and looking forward to trying them out.

Overall? Cool gun that will be deployed bedside and for show when guests are over for dinner... :D

Pleased with my purchase!
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Show and tell is about the best way for the word to get around that you have things to steal in your home. If YOU can't keep a secret, don't expect anyone else to. While your guests MAY be trusted, many of us know parents that have kids with drug problems and steal to support their habit. I don't get the shorty rounds??? If recoil & less of a payload is wanted, why not go to a smaller gauge? :confused:
 
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nachogrande said:
I don't get the shorty rounds??? If recoil & less of a payload is wanted, why not go to a smaller gauge? :confused:
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Because people don't realize that the reduced recoil load of 00 or #1 is better and recoils slightly more. Those little shells recoil more than Win AA Low Noise Low Recoil 2¾". Winchester 2¾" #1 Buck is the way to go for the recoil sensitive. There's a good pattern and manageable recoil.
Going to a smaller gauge is not an option in these short firearms at this time. I'm surprised that other folks haven't gone this route. Remington screwed up and chased Mossberg. They should have come out with a Wingmaster 2¾ receiver that was pretty and light and slick. They'd have killed it. Nobody really needs 3" in these guns. I'd give it up in a heartbeat for a slick fast 870 Wingmaster (not the express trash).
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
What 14in configurations like the Shockwave are available in a smaller gauge absent requiring a tax stamp?
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^^^^what he said. I don't know how realistic it is to expect a "family" of Shockwaves in different gauges. There is almost an infinite number of 12 gauge loads out there, many of which can serve for "serious social purposes" (in any 12 ga shotgun, for that matter). I know of only one 20 gauge buckshot load and one 20 gauge slug load.

Too, and more importantly, the entire Shockwave concept smacks of "one and done," given the legal territory it dances around, ATF letter or not.

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forrestinmathews said:
It's screwed in place. Four screws. You can back them out and buff the holes down a bit. No worries.

3" #4 Buck is highly uncomfortable; 41 little sumaguns trying to break your wrist. I have not shot 2¾" and don't intend to. I use the Federal LE1321B (2¾" Low Recoil Flitecontrol #1B) and 158000 (3" 000 Buck)and the Winchester 3" #1 Buck. Super tight patterns out to 30+yards with the Flitecontrol, 000 patterns really well, 3" #1 maintains a good full pattern as distance increases and is available locally.

What load is giving you 20 #1 Buck? Sounds like a baby(2¾") magnum...share the good news!
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Thanks for the clarification, even though my ownership of such a beast is just a day dream for the nonce.

It's bad news on the mini-mags, they've been discontinued.

Winchester Double-X 2 3/4" Magnum #1, 20 copper plated and buffered .30 caliber shot, #X12C1B.

I've been going through the stash trying to sell off low-priority stuff, but when I realized there were no more of these to be had I figured I better hold on to 'em. If I had to guess, I'd say they were cut because people looking for that kind of load for hunting were buying 3" shells. In the venerable Mossberg 500, going to 3" shells makes you lose a round in magazine capacity.

Speaking of Mossberg architecture, I believe they use the same receiver for their 20 ga. as they do the 12, so you could just swap in some used 20 ga. parts and keep the same gun. Don't know if that'll work on the 590 model though.
 
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