Most expensive Model 3 Ever?????
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As my brother put it recently after we discussed someone buying some item or another for zillions of dollars - "Rich people are different".
I know about Bat Masterson and his selling the gun that killed Luke Short or someone and that he routinely sold it over and over again. It's pretty funny if true. The parallel story I read many years ago was that Zerelda James, Jess's mother, sold stones from his grave and every so often she would get more stones, replace them onto the grave, and continue selling them. Also very funny if true.
Jesse James did carry a Schofield. That is a fact. Whether it is this million dollar item or not is definitely subject to a question mark.
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Reminds me of Dave Allen's story about the Irishman trying to sell a stranger what he claimed was the skull of Brian Boru. The mark said, "But that skull is much too small." The reply was, "This is the skull of Brian Boru when he was twelve!"
I'm not convinced. But then I don't have nearly $700,000, so it doesn't matter what I think.
I'm not convinced. But then I don't have nearly $700,000, so it doesn't matter what I think.
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You guys are yelling about $600,000 like its a lot of money. If you like the the gun, just bid and walk away.
That's the truth. Bidder probably has a "gun fund" just like the rest of us. A lot more zeroes after the numbers though. Joe
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IF this was a REAL AUCTION with REAL BIDDERS, which I do not in any way believe to be the case, this gun is still NOT-NOT-NOT the most expensive (or 2nd most or 3rd most) Model 3 ever, by several hundred thousand dollars.
Don't get me started....
David
Don't get me started....
David
Come on David, get started and give us a pro insight.
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While the 'Schofield' was retired, the cartridge that fit both was not. So, the supply problem would only apply if going to civilian sources for ammunition.
Also, while the .45 Colt cartridge used in the trials was the 255gr bullet over 40gr of BP, I could find no evidence it was issued to the troops. Certainly by early 1874 the Army Ordinance Department had reduced the loading to a 250gr bullet over 30gr BP. Most, civilian ammunition suppliers offered both the 40gr and 30gr loading until the BP loads were phased out in the early 20th century.
On August 20, 1974 the Frankford Arsenal stopped production of the .45 Colt revolver cartridges. Then in early 1875 the Government "Revolver Ball Cartridge, Caliber .45" was introduced. The case of this cartridge was shorter, with a slightly wider rim, as to fit in both the Colt and S&W. It used a 203gr RNFP bullet over 28gr BP. Around 1882 the cartridge was changed from Berdan to Boxer primer. Finally, the M1887 Ball Cartridge was issued, again a compromise cartridge, and was the sole Government Cartridge until it was replaced by the .38 Long Colt iin 1892.
The Army's using the reduced loading compromise cartridge is better understood if the physical requirements for Cavalry recruits is looked at. Cavalry recruits were restricted to able bodied men of good character, between the ages of 16 to 35, between 5'5'-5'10" in height, and weighing not less than 120 and not more than 155 pounds.
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This supports the Continued use of the Schofield
This is why I'm not convinced the dis-similarities between the 45 Schofield and the Colt 45 would require the U.S. Army to discontinue or send to "Surplus" the Schofield model after only 5 years of service?
Although I suppose it's not beyond the poor decision making practices of the Army at that time since they also decided to replace the 45 caliber with the 38 in the early 1890's. That wasn't very smart was it.
This is why I'm not convinced the dis-similarities between the 45 Schofield and the Colt 45 would require the U.S. Army to discontinue or send to "Surplus" the Schofield model after only 5 years of service?
Although I suppose it's not beyond the poor decision making practices of the Army at that time since they also decided to replace the 45 caliber with the 38 in the early 1890's. That wasn't very smart was it.
Historically Speaking: Was Jesse James killed or did he die of old age? | Roswell Daily Record
Some things are never quite clear....
Some things are never quite clear....
loiner1965
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just watched the 1939 film of jessie james and he handed over a pearl handled schofield lol,,,,,possibly only true part
I visited the farm back when the SWCA had our annual meeting in Kansas City. I paid a quarter, ($0.25), for these actual stones placed on Jesse's grave! There were put there by Jesse himself!!!! I'm open to sealed bids. For you skeptics, these is a spot of his blood on the reverse.
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pity i am in the uk lol
loiner1965
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my pockets are too deep.
i believe national treasures should stay where left.....thanks any way.
i believe national treasures should stay where left.....thanks any way.
gman51
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Come on bidders where else can you get genuine Jesse James grave stones that are turquoise no less. You will not find these at your local 7-11.
I am guessing the high bidder figures with all the paper work on the gun history who can say it for sure is a fake.
I do think the ink used back then probably would have melded into the porous grips that it would be hard to determine it was Jesse James signature. I am just guessing on that though.
I am guessing the high bidder figures with all the paper work on the gun history who can say it for sure is a fake.
I do think the ink used back then probably would have melded into the porous grips that it would be hard to determine it was Jesse James signature. I am just guessing on that though.
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Ladies and gentlemen, my agent, gman51. He gets 30%!
By the way, if you look real close at the pictures of the stone, it's white turquoise!
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It all reminds me of the guy who spends all day running flags up and down next to the Capitol building so they can be sent out as souvenirs.
They flew over the Capitol all right, but not for long and not out front.
They flew over the Capitol all right, but not for long and not out front.
Come on Don, Tell the truth! You got those pebbles from Home Depot.
Although his signature looks very convincing on that one stone. Maybe you can get the " Signature Expert" to verify it's his actual signature on the stone. Maybe even get on the History channel! Before you know it they will appraise for $ 100,000 each!
Although his signature looks very convincing on that one stone. Maybe you can get the " Signature Expert" to verify it's his actual signature on the stone. Maybe even get on the History channel! Before you know it they will appraise for $ 100,000 each!
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