Mozambique or failure to stop drill

Attention to acquiring and maintaining a solid foundation skillset will help when introducing more advanced techniques and skills.

When officiating in IDPA and USPSA matches, I have been surprised to encounter some individuals who object to stages designed to test a full skill set, such as weak hand shooting, head shots, shooting while moving, Bill drill, Mozambique, targets at 35 yds, etc.

Their usual attitude is that they have thoroughly studied what skills are needed for "real world defense" (never took a pistol combat course or got in a gun fight, real or simunitions) and ONLY THEIR chosen skills should be in the match.

How does that attitude sound to you?
 
Is what yur sayin....

No coup de grâce allowed. :eek:





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Ya... I like to put a round in the back of the head as I walk by their prone face down body........just to be sure!!

If it works for Jason Bourn ....... good enough for me............

:D


FWIW
With the proliferation of cameras today...... that 3rd shot to the head...... better not be two long after the first two.......... or 80% of the viewers will call it an execution............
 
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When officiating in IDPA and USPSA matches, I have been surprised to encounter some individuals who object to stages designed to test a full skill set, such as weak hand shooting, head shots, shooting while moving, Bill drill, Mozambique, targets at 35 yds, etc.

Their usual attitude is that they have thoroughly studied what skills are needed for "real world defense" (never took a pistol combat course or got in a gun fight, real or simunitions) and ONLY THEIR chosen skills should be in the match.

How does that attitude sound to you?



Having been away from IDPA for several years.... due to younger children.....

going back to a local match last month: most of the stages seemed like they were right out of a Hollywood action movie....... not engagements 99.9999% of us would have any chance to survive.

I know there are limits to setting up stages. due to time and space..... and the stages have to be "entertaining"....... but I felt the stages were moving from IDPA towards USPSA......... blazing at targets as fast as you can.....

IMHO a stage where you are;

1) clearing a house/3rooms...... shouldn't be a foot race...

2)I hope I would never have to engage in a 'Hostage rescue" with just my cc side arm

3) can't imagine engaging 6 shooters in a crowd of 10 or so no-shoots ( at 5-20yds)..... shooting out the windows.....while sitting in the driver's seat of a van......... except on the Walking Dead.

The walk through is needed for safety...... but shooters were not assessing the situation ...... it was run and gun.......the pre identified targets......

Example...... one stage ..... engage 5 targets one shot each....while retreating to cover behind a wall...... at the wall engage each target with 2 more rounds...... when I got to the wall I shot 3 targets from the right end..... running my gun dry...... as I reloaded I moved (safely) to the left end of the wall to engage the last two........

I was questioned why I did that as it took more time...... I replied I wasn't going to stick my head out at the same spot more than once if I don't have to............I'll move and take the last two from their flank! The RO seemed to get it ..... the other shooters.... not so much...... it was all about time.


I wish there was more opportunities to do simulation/Hogan Alley ....style.........training/practice....

LOL years ago I thought "Lazer Tag" had some possibilities...... but after the first match I realized my COM hits didn't register on the sensors....... LOL

I will keep going to matches but I will not make them a foot race........


Rant over........
 
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Even in combat they second guess you. There was a little incident during the first Gulf War where some gun camera shots from some Apaches showed some rounds impacting amongst some Iraqi troops. The vids made it to the press and there was a huge hullabaloo about war crimes. I (amongst others) reviewed the films, with the audio, and it was clear that when the hands went up the "cease fire" went out immediately. Unfortunately those 23mms can't be called back once they are out of the barrel. Still the press wanted someone to be "held accountable". Thank goodness cooler heads prevailed.
 
going back to a local match last month: most of the stages seemed like they were right out of a Hollywood action movie....... not engagements 99.9999% of us would have any chance to survive.

I just sent an email out to our local IDPA volunteer stage setters on this very subject. Some clubs are out of control, using illegal stages and what IDPA HQ refers to as "Tribal Rules." We have one volunteer that ONLY wants speed stages, not "thinking" stages.

It is tough to keep any club going with volunteers, but the "run and gun" faction may well destroy IDPA as originally intended. I hope not.
 
I know there are limits to setting up stages.....but I felt the stages were moving from IDPA towards USPSA......... blazing at targets as fast as you can.....

IMHO a stage where you are;

1) clearing a house/3rooms...... shouldn't be a foot race...

2)I hope I would never have to engage in a 'Hostage rescue" with just my cc side arm

3) can't imagine engaging 6 shooters in a crowd of 10 or so no-shoots ( at 5-20yds)..... shooting out the windows.....while sitting in the driver's seat of a van......... except on the Walking Dead.

The walk through is needed for safety...... but shooters were not assessing the situation ...... it was run and gun.......the pre identified targets......

Example...... one stage ..... engage 5 targets one shot each....while retreating to cover behind a wall...... at the wall engage each target with 2 more rounds...... when I got to the wall I shot 3 targets from the right end..... running my gun dry...... as I reloaded I moved (safely) to the left end of the wall to engage the last two........

I was questioned why I did that as it took more time...... I replied I wasn't going to stick my head out at the same spot more than once if I don't have to............I'll move and take the last two from their flank! The RO seemed to get it ..... the other shooters.... not so much...... it was all about time.


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Boy oh boy, that hits the nail on the head!!!

Gaming is jest that....Fighting to live....Is another deal altogether.


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When officiating in IDPA and USPSA matches, I have been surprised to encounter some individuals who object to stages designed to test a full skill set, such as weak hand shooting, head shots, shooting while moving, Bill drill, Mozambique, targets at 35 yds, etc.

Their usual attitude is that they have thoroughly studied what skills are needed for "real world defense" (never took a pistol combat course or got in a gun fight, real or simunitions) and ONLY THEIR chosen skills should be in the match.

How does that attitude sound to you?

Weak.

Certainly not well-rounded.

Reminds me of some folks who only trained to learn and practice a limited range of techniques in the martial arts, thinking they'd never need to know how to do anything else.

That might work okay in the dojo or training hall, especially where your opponent is cooperative and you know exactly what he will be doing, but outside in the real world it's not quite so predictable and accommodating.

I'd not go quite so far as to undermine someone's confidence in an intentionally restricted shooting and manipulation skillset. However, I'd point out that if they can't effectively respond to some sets of conditions which aren't considered uncommon in the everyday world, even though they might be outside their normal range of experience, perhaps they might consider becoming at least a little better rounded in their ability to respond to someone who hasn't been using the same sheet music.

The other side of that coin, though, is the occasional instructor who tries to cobble together unusual and often awkward sets of training scenarios just to call it "tactical", and theirs, without being able to support them by using general or specific examples of actual shooting incidents. What skills are being assessed, created or refined? Creating "no win" and overly complicated scenarios may stroke some instructor's ego, but it's not doing a service to someone trying to learn relevant and practical new skills, or figure out how to apply existing skills in new, but relevant, situations.

Just my thoughts.

I prefer to have everyone with whom I work be able to walk off a qual or training range and have a justified confidence that they can immediately apply whatever skills we've been working on, and do so right away.
 
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air soft guns in a shooting drill against your shooting buddies is a real eye opener..... targets in your back yard with the airsoft guns gives you movement, shooting timing, recovery, retreat and advancing skills you can build on......

it seems like folly or a game, however, it soon becomes real enough, you try very hard to put your buddy out of the game before he does it to you. I know it is not the same as firing your real CCW and it does not abrogate the time needed in live fire.

wear a serious face shield and gloves that will protect your knuckles.... those dang little pellets hurt.
 
Having been away from IDPA for several years.... due to younger children.....

going back to a local match last month: most of the stages seemed like they were right out of a Hollywood action movie....... not engagements 99.9999% of us would have any chance to survive.

I know there are limits to setting up stages. due to time and space..... and the stages have to be "entertaining"....... but I felt the stages were moving from IDPA towards USPSA......... blazing at targets as fast as you can.....

IMHO a stage where you are;

1) clearing a house/3rooms...... shouldn't be a foot race...

2)I hope I would never have to engage in a 'Hostage rescue" with just my cc side arm

3) can't imagine engaging 6 shooters in a crowd of 10 or so no-shoots ( at 5-20yds)..... shooting out the windows.....while sitting in the driver's seat of a van......... except on the Walking Dead.

The walk through is needed for safety...... but shooters were not assessing the situation ...... it was run and gun.......the pre identified targets......

Example...... one stage ..... engage 5 targets one shot each....while retreating to cover behind a wall...... at the wall engage each target with 2 more rounds...... when I got to the wall I shot 3 targets from the right end..... running my gun dry...... as I reloaded I moved (safely) to the left end of the wall to engage the last two........

I was questioned why I did that as it took more time...... I replied I wasn't going to stick my head out at the same spot more than once if I don't have to............I'll move and take the last two from their flank! The RO seemed to get it ..... the other shooters.... not so much...... it was all about time.


I wish there was more opportunities to do simulation/Hogan Alley ....style.........training/practice....

LOL years ago I thought "Lazer Tag" had some possibilities...... but after the first match I realized my COM hits didn't register on the sensors....... LOL

I will keep going to matches but I will not make them a foot race........


Rant over........

Paintball I used to play it a lot but being to old to run and gun I had a sniper marker. You knew when you were hit. Don
 

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