MP 9mm Shield Ported Velocity Loss Help!

No offense, but who would that be?

Could you provide some specific names of "skilled and educated" individuals that actually recommend porting on a defense handgun?

I've never met or heard of a single reputable instructor that recommended a ported gun for defensive purposes. I'm not saying there aren't any out there, I've just never came across one.
I would count you out for one. I know I may have hurt your feelings in the past but you are like a annoying little nat buzzing around that seems to be a source or irritation for many.

I think Hickok45 is a great source off the top of my head. Many others though.
 
To the ones who don't like ported guns, don't buy them. That will leave more for the ones who do like them. And S&W would make them if it wasn't a big market out there. Around here the gun shops can't keep enough of them. They sell every one they get.

The OP did ask for opinions from individuals.
 
The OP asks one question. Velocity loss. I believe some of us have come to the conclusion that the velocity loss is negligible .
 
IMO fibre optics and night sights are about the most useless accessory put on a firearm. At 61 years of age I have tried just about every sight gimmik out there to help my aging eyesight and what I have found is that in non Optical/Electronic sights NOTHING tops simple white dots for usefulness in the widest range of lighting. Second best is a gold bead and it's a somewhat distant second.

So what is wrong with fibre optics? After all every gun writer just raves about them. Try fibre optics at the typical indoor range and you'll find that they are about as visible as a solid black sight set. Which will work if you are shooting at a light colored target but they are nearly invisible with a dark background like that on a B-27 target. Those fibre optics don't really start glowing unless you are out in full daylight on either a cloudy or sunny day. So, yeah they are useful for something like an IDPA match as long as none of the stages are in a darkened shoot house.

There there are Night Sights, which do not start to become visible until it's dark enough that you may have problems identifying or even seeing your target. And, guess what happens when you light your target up with a weapon mounted light. Those night sights become invisible due to that light wiping out your night vision, which may take as much as 15 seconds or more for your eyes to recover. In addition at an indoor range the "dots" surrounding the light tube that are supposed to assist in aiming at moderate light levels are about as visible as plain black sights.

Bottomline, keep the sights that came on your shield, they are actually a lot more useful than you think they are.

Next, ported barrels. In addition to aging eyesight I also suffer from aging hearing. So, I now use ear plugs when I am mowing the grass and double up on hearing protection at the range. If you aren't aware of it Ported Barrels are quite LOUD for the shooter. Fortunately for me the indoor ranges I shoot have dividers between lanes so someone in the next lane with a ported handgun doesn't bother me unless it's a 460 or 500 Magnum, because all the volume produced by his ported barrel is reflected right back at the poor sod shooting that ported pistol. I'm willing to bet that in 15 or 20 years that poor sod will be asking people to speak up just like I do now. In hindsight I really wish that I had been wise enough to wear ear plugs to concerts I attended back in the 70's. I still remember that after the Yes, Tales of Topographic Oceans concert in Cincinnati my ears rang for 4 days. I'm also sure that Uriah Heap, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, and The Who also didn't do my hearing much good at all.

Bottomline, ported barrels are just too darned loud and in a defensive shooting where you probably won't be using any hearing protection at all you will suffer immediate, measurable, and permanent hearing loss. If you are sitting inside a car when you pull that trigger it's about 30/70 that you'll suffer a complete loss of hearing in one ear.

Finally, trick trigger systems. I'm an Old Fart. Old enough to have started my shooting with a double action revolver and I still shoot a double action pistol at every range outing. Because I have found that NOTHING develops trigger skills more than shooting with a long, moderately heavy trigger stroke. BTW, one oof my recent favorite traing pistols is a Sig Sauer P290-380. It's a rather tiny little pistol with a 9 lbs. DA only trigger and that trigger features enough mainspring rub that it's distinctly gritty if you try and stroke it slowly. However if you pull that trigger at a Combat pace it smooths out so it's a near match for my 1971 vintage S&W 19-3, meaning it feels really sweet when used properly. And yeah, that tiny little pistol has sights that feature nice big white dots. Personally I think that picking up a used S&W revolver may prove of more benefit than any trigger kit. However, that's just a suggestion, by all accounts Apex has very good trigger kits for the S&W semi's.
 
Too late for my hearing. I have tinnitus, and some hearing loss. The ringing in my ears sounds like an old dial tone on a telephone. I got it both ears 24/7. Had it for years. Its from Vietnam. I draw a disability from uncle sam for it. My ported barrel is not going to hurt my hearing any more than it already is. In fact it can't hold a candle to the mortars, cannons, bombs and the M-60 machine gun I shot in Vietnam. And of course we had no ear plugs. They were not available then.

I have night sights, fiber optic sights and white dot sights and out of the three, I like the nights sight the best. You see we are not all alike and some of us like different things that's why they make such a variety of things. You see opinions do vary.

My three favorite triggers are on my M&P performance center shield, my Ruger LC9s and my sig P938 single action. Yeah, I got plenty of revolvers but the triggers on them are not in the same class.
 
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Not a gimmick. Ported barrels on the shield serve a purpose in that it provides quicker target acquisition.

If one wants quicker, follow-up target acquisition, then use standard pressure ammo rather than the +P version. The difference in recoil between using standard pressure versus +P ammo is much more discernible than using a ported versus non-ported short barrel. In fact, Hickok45 mentioned that he could barely feel the difference in recoil between the ported and non-ported versions of the Shield.

IMHO, a ported short barrel is a gimmick. It will still sell well because people like to buy gimmicky things to show off.
 
If one wants quicker, follow-up target acquisition, then use standard pressure ammo rather than the +P version. The difference in recoil between using standard pressure versus +P ammo is much more discernible than using a ported versus non-ported short barrel. In fact, Hickok45 mentioned that he could barely feel the difference in recoil between the ported and non-ported versions of the Shield.

IMHO, a ported short barrel is a gimmick. It will still sell well because people like to buy gimmicky things to show off.
Give me gimmick then. I bought the PC primarily of the improved trigger and better sights. The ports are secondary to me but I like that aspect too.

I will keep my Federal Premium HST 124gr. +P for the PC thank you.
 
I like him but, Hickok45 is not really a defensive handgun instructor of any type nor does he make that claim AFAIK. He's a pretty cool guy and good at what he does, but I've never seen anything from him except videos of him plinking targets in the woods and tabletop reviews.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7-nEpggMMw
Let me guess. Is this where you break out in your Tarzan yell and proclaim that you have the largest manhood on the forum because you have 30 years of experience?

You are the biggest time suck on this forum. I have wasted too much time on you on a previous post.
 
Too late for my hearing. I have tinnitus, and some hearing loss. The ringing in my ears sounds like an old dial tone on a telephone. I got it both ears 24/7. Had it for years. Its from Vietnam. I draw a disability from uncle sam for it. My ported barrel is not going to hurt my hearing any more than it already is. In fact it can't hold a candle to the mortars, cannons, bombs and the M-60 machine gun I shot in Vietnam. And of course we had no ear plugs. They were not available then.

I have night sights, fiber optic sights and white dot sights and out of the three, I like the nights sight the best. You see we are not all alike and some of us like different things that's why they make such a variety of things. You see opinions do vary.

My three favorite triggers are on my M&P performance center shield, my Ruger LC9s and my sig P938 single action. Yeah, I got plenty of revolvers but the triggers on them are not in the same class.

Don't count on your hearing not getting any worst. When I retired from the Navy mine loss was down 55 db from the middle of the frequency range to the upper end. It is now down 95 db 30 years later and the latest and greatest hearing aids are little help. Protect what you still have.
 
Don't count on your hearing not getting any worst. When I retired from the Navy mine loss was down 55 db from the middle of the frequency range to the upper end. It is now down 95 db 30 years later and the latest and greatest hearing aids are little help. Protect what you still have.

I wear hearing protection now, duh
 
And you again deflect the question, because you have no answers.

You brought up Hickok45, so how about addressing what he said in the video?

And please enlighten everyone as to the tangible advantages of the PC Shield over the standard version applied in an actual likely civilian defense scenario.

Did it ever occur to you its because we like it. That's enough for me. If you pay for my next gun you can have input on the selection. If not I don't need any of your advice. What part of that don't you understand.
 
Did it ever occur to you its because we like it. That's enough for me. If you pay for my next gun you can have input on the selection. If not I don't need any of your advice. What part of that don't you understand.

Then like it and don't concern yourself with my posts.

The Shield is a concealed carry/defense pistol. People buy them for that reason. I'm not sure why anyone would buy or recommend a subcompact, single stack 9mm, striker-fired pistol for a range or target gun, so I operate under the assumption that people are buying these guns for personal defense.

The OP was concerned about velocity loss, which indicates to me, it's indeed for defensive purposes and my comments are aligned with that context.

If you bought your gun for aesthetic reasons, you like the name or as a collectors piece, have at it and carry on. And if you have no interest or concerns about defensive applications, we really have nothing to discuss or debate.

Enjoy your gun.
 
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That's a better post. I don't buy guns because they are pretty. I buy them because I like to shoot them. I also bought it because I like the ported barrel and would not hesitate to carry it as a defense pistol. I probably will carry it form time to time for self defense. You don't have to understand. Just accept it and go on. I just got a Sig P938 with night sights that will get the most carries. But I also really like this ported barrel M&P. Heck too many guns and so little time.
 
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