MS Westerdam, Holland America Line's Unwanted Ship

mbliss57 said:
But I am not convinced think this is not still media inciting panic. Or some other agenda driven panic.
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Hopefully this version gets no worse than our usual yearly influenza outbreaks, though in just a few weeks from the initial outbreak, it overwhelmed healthcare in a quarantined city larger than any in the USA.

They built two 1000 bed hospitals in ten days, and immediately filled them to overflowing. Any new patients are being locked in convention halls and gymnasiums without effective treatment. Many people are choosing to avoid the indignity and stay home to die.

Testing kits are in short supply, and those that die without testing positive are not included in Corona statistics, so the facts are undoubtedly worse than the numbers being released. Despite their effort, the official daily number of dead keeps growing.

I'm not panicked, I just hope we can keep it from similarly taking hold in our country, and quarantine is currently the only effective method.
 
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mbliss57 said:
How many people know that influenza kills 250K to 500K people every year? About 35K 50K in the USA. Not at all a good thing... don't misunderstand. But I am not convinced think this is not still media inciting panic. Or some other agenda driven panic.

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study
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Fear of an unknown bug is a wonderful catalyst for panic. It doesn't help that the modern world is obsessed with control. Some new virulent germ popping up just highlights the unpalatable truth of our real status compared with Mother Nature. I mean, really, there's no app to fix this?:rolleyes:

Want to get a mouthful of abuse or knuckles in double quick time? Take one control freak and shove the reality of their lack of control in his/her face. I've gotten good at ducking.:D
 
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Historically speaking, some folks have pointed out that major epidemics seem to run in 100 year cycles.
1720: Bubonic Plague in France. 100,000 dead.
1820: Cholera outbreak in Indonesia. 100,000 dead.
1920: Spanish Flu pretty much worldwide. 500 million infected, 50 to 100 million dead.
2020: Corona Virus in China. ????

Just sayin'. Thems the facts.
 
The ship's owners have gotten permission to dock in Sihanoukville Cambodia, where passengers will be allowed to disembark, once transportation has been arranged.

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Watchdog said:
I've never understood the fascination with or attraction to cruises.
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Neither have I. And I have absolutely no interest in going on a cruise. I can stay home and read books for a week a lot cheaper.

My company offered the wife and I a Caribbean cruise maybe 10 years ago, and we gracefully declined the offer. Several of the guys here (most all are younger) have taken the offer and everyone of them was glad to be back home afterwards. I can honestly say I have ZERO interest in one. (even a free one)

(maybe it was because I watched the "Poseidon Adventure" as a young man) :eek:
 
We did a 8 day cruise on the Oosterdam of Holland America a few years also, inside passage to Alaska. It was O.K., but too much time on the ship. Did the 12 day tour of Italy, and loved it, booked through Globus. Our favorites are the European river cruises. Did the Rhine 4 years ago and the Danube last year.
 
H Richard said:
We did a 8 day cruise on the Oosterdam of Holland America a few years also, inside passage to Alaska. It was O.K., but too much time on the ship. Did the 12 day tour of Italy, and loved it, booked through Globus. Our favorites are the European river cruises. Did the Rhine 4 years ago and the Danube last year.
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H Richard,
Do they pack 2K-3K in like sardines on the river cruises too? I'm not familiar with them.
 
We did the Valparaiso Chile to Buenos Aires Argentina via the Falkland islands and 3 days on the Antarctic peninsula for 28 days on a ship. It remains the only vacation I would have turned around the next day and repeated given the opportunity. We will spend 11 days cruising the Mediterranean in Oct.
We got hit by the nano virus a few days out of Valparaiso. My next door neighbor was sick as can be. I know the two Indonesians that did our rooms worked 30+ hours straight cleaning and no one was ill after 3 days further. Cruises are like anything else, if you don't check things out thoroughly you can get burned.
 
we took a USO bus trip up to Marburg to see a castle. after that we went down to a town on the Rhine for a boat trip down to Mainz. it took maybe 4 hours and sat on the top deck drinking wine. a really nice Saturday afternoon except for the F-4's from Biturg AB flying over the river a couple of times. I really like to take one of the 8 day trips down the Rhine but unless I will the lottery that ain't going to happen.
 
I have a bit over 3 years of at sea time from my navy days. My last day on CVN-71 when I climbed into an H-53 to come home was my last time on a ship at sea and it is gonna stay like that. 5 deployments and got sick on every one I am not gonna pay to go get sick or dead.
 
AZ2VET said:
I have a bit over 3 years of at sea time from my navy days. My last day on CVN-71 when I climbed into an H-53 to come home was my last time on a ship at sea and it is gonna stay like that. 5 deployments and got sick on every one I am not gonna pay to go get sick or dead.
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You got sea sick on a Nuke Bird Farm????:rolleyes:
Try some of the DE's and DD's I was on!:D
 
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